Global Warming, unstoppable

[ResinRat2]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83323

OOPPPSS!! Global Warming is finally being admitted as BS.

You think Al Gore will shut his lying mouth now? Don't bet on it! He and his buddies Bush and Obama and Biden need the Carbon Unit system so they can steal money from us and control us all.

[magkor]

Not everyone agrees:

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm

Over 17000 scientists have signed the petition so far:

Do you know how many scientists there are in the world? Millions. Literally MILLIONS. Let them sign all the petitions they want, because your logic is ridiculous: Some tiny, tiny percent said it ain't real, so it must not be!

Further,  the issue of the green house effect is over a hundred years old. It's not some new, cooked up idea to take your freedom. Those concerned about it were the fringe, the weirdos until just two years ago, but somehow it's this great conspiracy? Talk about nutty!

Tell me, where is YOUR science? You cannot point to even one peer-reviewed article from a reputable publication. I know because I have presented this challenge to EVERY denialist. I've run across.

It takes much more evidence to conclude the so called "fact" of global warming.

Really? Like what? Relativity: evidence? Almost zilch. Was just proven mathematically, but was completely accepted for nearly a hundred years.

Why do you hold AGW to a higher standard?

Do you even understand what science is? It is not the **proving** of anything most of the time. It is literally almost all theory **accepted** as fact.

Just don't give away your freedoms so easily. Everybody who says they are your friend is not necessarily so.

What freedoms, pray tell, has any climate research and/or renewable technology taken from you? Answer: none. The ironic thing here is, the open giving their brain away to the highest bidder is you. It was bought by Exxon and BuCheney. Both are factually known to have sown extensive propaganda.

And they got **you.** You are the captive of lies.... even after the liars who fooled you have admitted the truth.

Over the last week in the Midwest USA it has been in the teens and below zero (Degrees F.)

That statement is proof you don't know the difference between weather and climate.

The easiest way to get people to give away their freedoms is with alarmist propaganda. Do you want the United Nations to control YOU! I know I sure don't.

I repeat: what freedoms have been taken? The only freedoms taken from you have been by multi-national corps and the Republican WH and Congress... denialists, all of them. Ain't that a fly in your ointment?

We need much, much more long-term data than is available right now.

Few things in science have been proven as extensively as AGW. And if you think years and years of more study is a good idea, then you obviously don't realize the Earth temperature can change by up to 7 degrees in as little as 2 years. Ice core data proves this. Good luck with waiting when methane is pouring out of the Arctic.]

Do some reading.

For any doubt you have: 1. http://illconsidered.blogspot.com/2006/02/how-to-talk-to-global-warming-sceptic.html

2. http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/index/#Responses

3. http://scholarsandrogues.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/anti-global-heating-claims-a-reasonably-thorough-debunking/

On how the arguments are nowhere near equal: http://vagabondscholar.blogspot.com/2007/04/false-equivalencies.html

It ain't the sun: http://www.livescience.com/environment/050811_global_warming.html

Now, look at all that evidence - not to mention your own eyes as the Arctic melts away, animals have to move their habitats, trees march into the Arctic, ice shelves break off, methane starts boiling out of the oceans and tundra... etc.

Oh, and by the way, global warming does not preclude weather patterns from existing. La Nina brings cooler temps for example, but the overall trend continues upwards. And, you could get a sudden cooling due to the thermohaline shutting down... and it would be because of warming decreasing the heat differential between the water from the Gulf Stream and that water in the North Atlantic... and it would be due to AGW.

Wake up. Time is short.

I repeat: where is your science against? Hint:  there isn't any. Anywhere.

Cheers

[magkor]

world oil production is 86 000 000 barrels a day....

Actually, it's about 73 mb/d. The rest comes from other forms of "liquid" fuels, including nat. gas, processing gains, tar sands, etc. Crude oil production has been flat for four years. IEA just reported in November we are in deep doo-doo. They are very late to the game: many of us have known this for a long time. Visit The Oil Drum if you want in-depth energy info. Best site for it on the web. (No, I'm not on staff there.)

The economic downturn is reducing some demand, but we have so far to go...

Cheers

[magkor]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83323

OOPPPSS!! Global Warming is finally being admitted as BS.

You think Al Gore will shut his lying mouth now? Don't bet on it! He and his buddies Bush and Obama and Biden need the Carbon Unit system so they can steal money from us and control us all.

"Admitted?" I think you mean "claimed." Perhaps English is not your first language?

The report also includes new peer-reviewed scientific studies and analyses refuting man-made warming fears and a climate developments that contradict the theory.

I wait with 'bated breath.

And, friend, quoting World Net Daily? C'mon....

[magkor]

British High Court rules that there are 11 serious inaccuracies in Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth"

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58111

I especially like #11, which is an outright LIE!!!

How inconvenient are these truths indeed!!

Don't expect him to change his lifestyle, but he sure wants you to change yours!

1. The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro evidence global warming. The Government's expert was forced to concede that this is not correct.

FACT: it can't be proven to be. Either the court or the writer is are idiots.

2. The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years. The court found that the film was misleading: Over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 years.

The judge is an idiot. You go to a glorified lawyer for your climate science? Neither he, the article writer, nor you seem to understand what a positive feedback is. FACT: Milankovich cycles seem to be the primary push out of ice ages, but that leads to the release of CO2, which then leads to more warming. Get it? Gore was right.

3. The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina and suggests that this has been caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that it was "not possible" to attribute one-off events to global warming.

Again, stupid. What can be stated in a court of law vs. what is scientifically accepted as true even though as yet not totally proven are very, very different. The court had no place commenting here. The movie was not made for a court. FACT: the increased intensities of storms IS considered to be due to AGW: warmer water, more energy. Hard to argue with that since it is a FACT that the heat in water is what drives storms to form and strengthen.

4. The film shows the drying up of Lake Chad and claims that this was caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that this was not the case.

Again, the court is applying the burden of fact where it doesn't belong. FACT: Lake Chad *is* drying up partly due to AGW. Provable as per a court case? No. Scientifically certain? Yes.

This is what happens when you use a hammer to swat a fly.

5. The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing arctic ice. It turned out that Mr. Gore had misread the study: In fact four polar bears drowned, and this was because of a particularly violent storm.

Your post is really old, so I'll forgive this one. They are having to swim far offshore and ARE drowning.

6. The film threatens that global warming could stop the Gulf Stream, throwing Europe into an ice age: The Claimant's evidence was that this was a scientific impossibility.

The claimant and the court are both idiots. This has, in fact, happened before. The little ice age and the Younger Dryas were both die to affects on the thermohaline. Massive runoff from melting ice in North America shifted the thermohaline causing the Younger Dryas.

7. The film blames global warming for species losses including coral reef bleaching. The Government could not find any evidence to support this claim.

Then the government is stupid. See several above about the mis-application of law to science. Both are facts.

8. The film suggests that the Greenland ice covering could melt, causing sea levels to rise dangerously. The evidence is that Greenland will not melt for millennia.

No, it isn't. There is undeniable evidence of ice sheets melting in decades, let alone millenia. Do some checking on the Western European ice sheet and how fast it melted away.

9. The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting; the evidence was that it is in fact increasing.

False. It has been increasing in the center, decreasing at the edges, with a net loss. Perhaps the judge should have waited a few years, because he looks like a complete fool now.

10. The film suggests that sea levels could rise by seven meters, causing the displacement of millions of people. In fact, the evidence is that sea levels are expected to rise by about 40 centimeters over the next hundred years and that there is no such threat of massive migration.

False. Sea level CAN change meters in mere decades. Again, that judge should have held his tongue. Also, Gore never said it would happen in 100 years.

11. The film claims that rising sea levels has caused the evacuation of certain Pacific islands to New Zealand. The Government are unable to substantiate this and the Court observed that this appears to be a false claim.

False.

As a result, inhabitants of low-lying Pacific island nations are among the most vulnerable to the effects of global warming.

A report released in July by Make Poverty History -- a coalition of more than 60 aid, community and faith-based organisations, including Friends of the Earth -- noted that two villages on Kiribati have already been abandoned due to climate change.

Additionally, some 2,000 people on Papua New Guinea’s isolated Carteret Islands -- which are disappearing beneath the waves -- are preparing to be evacuated to Bougainville, 86km to the southwest. They are regarded as some of the world’s first ‘climate change refugees’.

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=43743

Cheers