Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[Peterae]

Hi Spp

Mike said

I use (28 gauge .0126 in. main)

(30 gauge .010 in. trigger, generator)
I get a little over 40 ohms each

So
28 Gauge @ 6.49000 Ohms per 100 ft or 30 swg
30 Gauge @ 10.32 Ohms per 100 ft or 33 swg

mike had 40 Ohms for Trig and Gen coil 40 Ohms / 10.32 = 387 Feet of wire
but mike used 2 coils to get this in series so each coil was 193 Feet

so to work out resistance of main coil 1.93 Feet * 6.49 = 12.52 Ohms
but he has 2 of these in Paralel which gives 6.26 Ohms main winding.

Note Mike used Awg here in the uk we use Swg
so in the uk instead of 28 Awg we need 30 Swg
and 30 Awg we need 33 Swg

So to make mikes coil

you wind 2 seperated coils as follows

get 2 strands of 30 Awg 193 Feet long and 1 strand of 28Awg hold  3 ends
in a vice and use a drill to twine these tightly, this gives us a trifler wound length
of wire.

Now make another exactly the same.

1 coil lays one side of the Armeature spindle and the other coil the other side.
use Insulation tape to bind together.as in Mikes picture.

Connect the 2 main windings in parralel and solder the ends
Connect the 2 generator coils in series
connect the 2 Trigger coils in series.

Thats it done.

[dingbat]

Is there anyone here still interested in Mike's motor???

By the lack of activity, it seems to have died. I guess I'll stop posting then.

Darren

Darren,

I have a lot of parts and wire and I'm trying to get a sense of direction before I start winding coils.  The activity does seem to have died somewhat.

I don't know whether to try to copy Mike's motor or to evaluate what makes sense from his design and do something a little different.  That is why your simulation is so interesting to me.  It can provide quite a bit of direction which saves a lot of scrap wire and parts.

I am going to start on a project in the near future, but I don't know exactly what its going to look like.  I'm trying to evaluate what is working and not working for people, and cut through the chaff to find the wheat, so to speak.

DB

[z_p_e]

DB,

I agree about modeling something if possible is a great way to learn, discover, and work out some kinks for a design before building it. Thuis is especially true if details are shaky as seems to be the case here. 

That is why I have ventured to try modeling this motor first before I decide to build it. Of course there are limitations to this approach, and some things will only be determined by testing a real device. Nonetheless, it has been interesting so far, and I still have a few things to post. It would be nice however to get a little more feedback at times. I usually do not post unless I have something I feel is significant to discuss or present. The ssr connection in Mike's video is a good example, yet no one challenged me nor agreed with me.

If enough people agreed, or disagreed, this in itself could be all that is necessary to make one decide if the motor is a fake or not. It would just be nice to get a concensus one way or the other, or at least discuss it.

Will post something shortly.

Darren

PS. DB, good to know you're still interested in the motor, and curious about my work.

[z_p_e]

From observing Mike's video, it looks like the cap charges from 0V to about 5 volts in about 12 or 13 seconds.

The best I could do with my circuit was about 1.93 volts in 10 seconds. See my attached pics ("mine_10s.jpg", and "bcwm02.jpg"). My circuit utilizes 2 diodes (D2 & D7) in the "normal" way to capture the bemf from L2.

I have isolated the capacitor just so I can compare charging with different circuit changes.

Look at my drawing "bcwm01.jpg". This is close to Mike's original, but I have shorted out the switch S1. Now see the charging curve of the cap...pic "Mikes_10s_S1short.jpg". One or two more seconds and I'm sure the cap voltage would be very close to what Mike's achieved in his video.

That's a very fast charge by comparison to anything else, but don't get too excited about this because the cap is charging mainly via two mechanisms, 1) from the battery->Q3-C path, and 2) from the generator action of L2. Agreed?

Anyway, it gives a good insight into roughly what the fastest possible charging of the cap can be.

Darren

[derricka]

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