High voltage HHO by IronHead

[idnick]

Hi all

Years ago you could get a gadget that converted your car alternator to put out 120 volts for running power drills, etc. It? probably bypassed the regulator and put out AC with high hertz " It would only work for motors that had brushes.  Don't know if modern alternators would do the same?   

So, If you get good production, you could still put it in a vehicle and run off the alternator?  You could put in a 160 degree themostat and cool the cell with the engine cooling system. 

Just thinking ahead.

tishatang

Had one of those gadgets on my rig years ago. It does work with alternator 

Dave

[Earl]

Hi Ironhead,

I understand that you have a periodic 100 Hz full-wave rectified DC.
This voltage is varying from zero to max V and back to zero.

This slowly varying DC voltage goes to the cell through a switch that
turns current ON and OFF at 19 to 22 kHz.  In other words, it "chops"
the full-wave voltage form.

The chopping does not change electrode polarity.

Because of the high voltage, do you need to utilise distilled water
to prevent cell voltage from limiting around 2 to 3 Volts?
- OR -
do you use plates that have no galvanic connection to the water?
i.e. the electrode plates are acting like capacitors and will only pass
high-frequency curent, but no DC ?

What I don't understand is your comment about flipping.  At what frequency
does this flipping occur?  I assume flipping means polarity inversion.

Have you tried bi-polar chopping at 19 to 22 kHz?  i.e. the electrodes would be
changing polarity at a HF rate.

Regards, Earl

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Reference to:

Ironhead> If you are full wave rectifying 60hz from the wall 115/120vac you will get 120 Hz

Flip like this at negative prim  ------ + ------ + ------- +     
Every second Negative and Positive a millisecond . you got to play with it.
Again I am not a scientist

If you go fast  you will dissolve the tungsten.SS on SS you will have no problems
of dissolving.

Pulse is from 19k to 22k the wave should be sharp.

You have to tune it. be patient between hz as there is a lag time.
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Ironhead> Yes both
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Moab> I dont see how you could get that much gas ....
without pulsing or fliping
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Ironhead> one of the freqs 120hz

[Dingus Mungus]

Any more information on replication? (aka electrode osc shots or schematics)
"Simple, Use one or a hundred green tip Tungsten welding rod and a chunk of Nitronic stainless steel. Rectify 120 or 115AC
to DC . Hook Positive to the Nitronic and the Negative to the Tungsten. Start up amps are high around 20 to 30 but will drop very fast as you reach optimum temps of about 150*F , Do this in tap water or add a very small amount of KOH to get a faster reaction. Anyone gets this far let me know and we can move on after you see the results of this build."

BTW the videos don't appear to work for some reason.
Could you post them both to the OU server?

[pg46]

Hi Ironhead-

I finally got a piece of pure tungsten welding rod. I didn't get the nitronic stainless though yet. I read in some supplier specs that while nitronic was much stronger than 316 stainless it wasn't as good against corrosion. It was more corrosive resistant than 304 grade stainless however. So, first question I have for you is I am wondering why you would settle to use nitronic stainless instead of the more common 316 grade?
So anyways, I ran a few tests with what I have (the 316 stainless and the tungsten) I find that all seems to act like normal electrolysis expectations. The hotter the water(electrolyte) gets the more amps it draws is what I found. This is what I would expect from any other similar form of electrolysis. At various points in the temperature ranges I swapped out the tungsten rod with a similar sized 316 stainless electrode and found not much difference in amperage draw or gas produced. Overall the gas produced per watt used is not efficient.
With all the steam produced which we don't want and the wattage requirements for this system being so  high at this point I am wondering what advantages your system has or what it is I have overlooked?

Best Regards,

[IronHead]

 
Not sure where you got your info. But this is what online metals has to say and many other metal manufactures and metal company's. Along with the quote below the Iron content is much lower  along with higher Nickel content than any other SS available.

Nitronic 50 Stainless Steel (annealed condition)
Minimum Properties    Ultimate Tensile Strength, psi    116,000
Yield Strength, psi    57,000
Elongation    47%
Rockwell Hardness    B91
Chemistry    Iron (Fe)    58%
Chrome (Cr)    22%
Manganese (Mn)    5%
Molybdenum (Mo)    2.25%
Nitrogen (N)    0.3%
Nickel (Ni)    12.5%
Silicon (Si)    1% max

Quote from Online Metals:
"Nitronic 50 Stainless Steel provides a combination of corrosion resistance and strength not found in any other commercial material available in its price range. This austenitic stainless has corrosion resistance greater than that provided by Types 316 and 316L, plus approximately twice the yield strength at room temperature. In addition, Armco Nitronic 50 Stainless has very good mechanical properties at both elevated and sub-zero temperatures. And, unlike many austenitic stainless steels, Nitronic 50 does not become magnetic when cold worked."



Further more ,the current should climb  at start up then lower rapidly when reaching optimum temps. Temps must be stabilized with cooling system.The idea is to utilize high voltage and very low current .If your cell steams then your temps and amps are to high. This as a test cell will only run for seconds before heating to high. for long term use ,simply cool the cell with radiator. Use the excessive heat for what ever purpose you need.