High voltage HHO by IronHead

[kokomoj0]

Im a bit confused.  You mention HHO and then you mention Hydrogen only.  Is your goal to run a vehicle purely on HHO?  If so, I read that a vehicle went 100 miles on HHO and used 4 ounces of water.

Oh sorry...  that is why i said i was only guessing....   i think IH's cell is used only for HHO...   I sometimes get a bit loose with terminology, i know nothing about this and am trying to visualize things in my own personal style.

Thanks Kyle for filling in a few blanks for me...   it gives me food for thought.   Looks like i was off my a country mile on a couple things.

No i was going to run it off of the HHO.

[kokomoj0]

The next steps are going to be on much higher voltage. Yeah I know that 2 volts or whatever is all you can put on each plate in a cell and then you get heat beyond that.

But if I put 200 volts  at low amps to my cell and get 10 times the output of  HHO at 150F* then you bet I will deal with the heat  and in the long run the heat will be used to aid reaction once the cell is all closed up and running in a circuit .

This will be when there is a cooling circuit  in place to condense steam and KOH  back and return to the cell. We are not there yet. So for those that have Variacs we want to see the effect as we turn up the voltage in  straight water.

This is going to help understand the  steps that will be taken in controlling  amp dump, where we use volts instead of amps to get high output. The amps will go up as you do this ,but We will be talking about restricting those amps using magnetic fields ie chokes. Your are going to need a 300 volt Full bridge rectifier and a minimum 220AC output  variac.

This step is for an HV-HHO and not completely necessary to work with.
This is only for those that wish to get  into into HV

For those that are not ready to do this  just keep your eyes on what the rest are doing and learn while you are building your cells and testing the charge.

Things are going to start branching off into different types of cells,  you choose which path to follow

There will be time to prepare for all of this.
I still want to hear from the rest of you and your cell progress including you guys that don't normally post.

i have 1000volt bridges
my variac is capable of 5 amp at up to roughly 280 volts via transformer, will that be enough?

[d3adp00l]

Just tossing out some numbers for everyone.
With a 2.0 litre motor, @2500 Rpm, @60 miles per hour
4 stroke engine = 1. Litre per rev intake amount
at 50% throttle position 1. L X .5= .5 L
Volumetric engine eff.= 80%    .5LX.8= .4L per rev.
@ 2500rpm X .4L= 1000L per minute = 60000L per hour
1 Litre water = 1800 litre hho
60000/1800= 33L liquid water per hour, per 60 miles
60/33= 1.8 litres per mile=6.8 miles per gallon
20 gallon tank X 6.8 mpg= 136 mile range.

So if an engine needs to be fed with only input from a HHO cell the cell would v to output 1000L per minute.

If HHO ca be diluted with atmospheric air and still create an energenic enough reaction  to keep the engine running then of course the above numbers would change. But how lean will HHO go, or can it even be leaned out at all.

[IronHead]

So you are calculating liter per cylinder volume , Try that with gasoline.
Hydrogen and Oxygen also is far more efficient than gasoline. But this math makes no sense. To do this your would need to know how much HHO and air is required to turn that engine at its max HP and torque per cylinder. Even if you meter gasoline and air and calculate this, the number will not be near what HHO and air would be.So first thing would be a cfm air calculation  then a metered fuel calculation. Then comparing this to a volume of HHO

Its said that HHO burn with 2.5 times the power of gasoline. and this is without getting into para and ortho mixtures

So lets increase fuel efficient first and this will tell you what you need to go on.
I am not going to tell you guys that your going to run your cars on HHO  alone ,but an 80% increase in MPG is very possible for you all. Of course you would start at maybe 20 to 40% .
But I will tell you that running an engine on HHO alone is possible and doable.
Its take alot of work to do this  and alot of modification .

[magnetar]

Im a bit confused.  You mention HHO and then you mention Hydrogen only.  Is your goal to run a vehicle purely on HHO?  If so, I read that a vehicle went 100 miles on HHO and used 4 ounces of water.

Oh sorry...  that is why i said i was only guessing....   i think IH's cell is used only for HHO...   I sometimes get a bit loose with terminology, i know nothing about this and am trying to visualize things in my own personal style.

Thanks Kyle for filling in a few blanks for me...   it gives me food for thought.   Looks like i was off my a country mile on a couple things.

No i was going to run it off of the HHO.

Well I am probably incorrect about HHO ( which I understand to be a subset of Browns Gas ).  HHO may be level 2 of 3 levels.  Level 1 is di-atomic Hydrogen and Oxygen, level 2 is mono-atomic ( one of terms used to describe it ) HHO and level 3 seems to be a mystery ( as far as disclosure to the internet and the public ).  I have done some reading on the "Joe" cell and it may be a 3rd level or it may just be HHO.  One of the characteristics of good Browns gas is that it implodes instead of exploding.  There seem to be a lot of similarities between Browns gas and the gas produced by Joe Cells.