Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator

[Low-Q]

The ONLY way that the permeability of the iron will decrease is IF the coil is outputing energy!

So, you can't have one without the other.

The only way the flux from the magnet will move is IF there is energy being output on the coil. A changed permeability is a direct result of output current in the coil, period, there is no other way that the flux is going to distort like that.

So, there is either energy being output on the coil OR the flux in the toroid IS NOT distorting, period...

Wouldn't this generator provide more current and less voltage when loaded? The permeability of the iron will decrease if the coil is loaded, the magnetic field will follow the part of the toroid with no coil when the coil is sort cut, hence the missing back torque. At the same time no energy is generated in the coil. Hmmm... I think we again are walking on a dead end (or blind alley if you like).

Vidar

Lets assume there is a voltage output - AC I guess when the magnet rotates. This voltage should be possible to use to something. If so, current will flow through the coil wire. When current flows through the coil wire, it will induce an opposite magnetic field in the iron core in the area where the coil is placed. This magnetic field will force the magnetic field from the magnet to take another path - the second and only alternative: The other side of the toroid where there is no coil. And to alter the magnetic path, as long ther is a path to use, does not require energy - hence no back torque. (I'm thinking loud now - I'm not an expert in this)

Therefor Lenz law is then still topical, but it all happens in a manner that does not influence the torque in the rotating magnet. Lenz law will still have an effect on the output, and limit the output when the coil is loaded.

I can read that there is for example 10amps used to run the motor (To rotate the magnet), and 20 amps can be measured from the generator. At which voltage is these currents measured?
The question is then; How many watts do you put in, and how many watts do you get out, as watt is a product of volt and amp?re.

Br.

Vidar

[tao]

Well, Steven's patent states a 12V@0.8Amp input and a 6V@40Amp output.......
That is 9.6Watts in, 240Watts out....

His other device was 140Watts in 1200Watts out, as put forth by Stefan Hartmann.

So, we either believe or not, either way, it needs to be built for true realization...

Everything points to the fact that the Zen Gen DOES work... I wouldn't have brought it up otherwise.

[Low-Q]

Well, Steven's patent states a 12V@0.8Amp input and a 6V@40Amp output.......
That is 9.6Watts in, 240Watts out....

His other device was 140Watts in 1200Watts out, as put forth by Stefan Hartmann.

So, we either believe or not, either way, it needs to be built for true realization...

Everything points to the fact that the Zen Gen DOES work... I wouldn't have brought it up otherwise.

OK, I missed that information, sorry.

Next question:

Is the output 1200 watts peak, continous or average?

I have the tools to build a test generator, and this weekend my wife is going to visit my parents-in-law - her parents so to speak. And I'm left alone, with plenty of time I can't say for sure that I'll be finished this weekend. We'll see.

Br.

Vidar

[Nali2001]

don't forget, for that 240 watts out he used a like 12kw core. The 'amount' of core material is important. Like posted before from Steven he recommends using core's from 2.5hp motor...

You should use a slotless motor of 2.5 hp or larger as the smaller cores have an inductance that is very high and the terminal voltage will drop as you load it.

This IS important and I know most people think it's not.
I have seen like 3 replication of these systems but their put out nearly nothing. Because their build far too small.

[Nali2001]

although not quite a 12kw core, this one is a good starting size probably.