Source of energy, Testatika

[forest]

how can you collect them if they repel each other due to the same electrical polarity ? work has to be done to collect them and work has to be done to move them

[Hel]

how can you collect them if they repel each other due to the same electrical polarity ? work has to be done to collect them and work has to be done to move them

I know that perfectly, of course; I would have already understood the Principle otherwise
Some trick must exist, though. I've been crashing my mind against this puzzle for years...
Nevertheless, I can't think all their statements about air electricity are lies, expecially those made
initially when they were still inadvertitely a bit too opened to explanations and shows...
And it can't definitely be matter of discharging those excess positive (fair weather) or negative (bad
weather) ions to ground, like in Plauson's or Tesla's apparatuses, because the Testatika lacks any
form of ground connection !

We also had collected further info from Albert Hauser, thanks to a member of our group who managed
to exchange some emails with him recently. Hauser was told that after some time of working in a closed
room, doors and windows should be opened for the Testatika to continue working. He was also told
(literally) that the big pots are to store positive and negative ions respectively (yes, that Baumann
told him, it makes few sense, but we know they perhaps knew physics only intuitively). Then we have
some reported words from Bosshard, vague, rather unscientific words, but which are key concepts for
me: he was speaking of the same principle of tornadoes, i.e a law aiming for order directed to the center,
which was a revelation for him when he understood it, a principle sorting out useful energy from random
motion. Bosshard also talked of "letting electrons go where they want". He also spoke of Osmosis, you
know, that force which counterbalances pressure to allow for entropy increasing. And I/we drew the
parallel with the Contact Potential effect, which cause charges to migrate from two different metals
with different electronegativity causing an external E-field to be present, and it is not a case that
Baumann always used copper and aluminium for his experiments ! Just, I/we couldn't make 2+2 yet.

[mikewatson]

In Marinov's Deutsche Physik, C. Monstein reported some experiments with a wimshurst machine concerning the Rowland effect in relation to the Testatika (the production of a magnetic field by a moving electric charge) "Wimshurstmascine beeinflusst lokales ErdmagnetfeldDeutche Physik vol 4  number 15".


"Monstein's observations are highly interesting. If they are authentic, they signify that that the electric charge on a wimshurst machine is 1000 times higher when the machine rotates with respect to the charge when it is at rest (at the same tension)]
Thus one has to assume that the Wimshurst machine has two capacities: a static one, C (stat) calculated by the well-known formula and a dynamic one, Cdyn ' which is much higher, and is due to the special construction of the machine. If this is true, then the electric energy pumped in a rotating wimshurst machine U(e) = !/2 Cdyn U2 where U is the respective tension will be very large and larger than the mechanical energy invested...."


I have not tried Monstein's experiment myself. However it could be that some sort of physical anomaly like this was discovered by Baumann. Unfortunately Baumann is dead and his secret may have died with him.


Mike

[Hel]

Mike, what you told is interesting. The problem is, Marinov, as we learnt, was too unscientifically
biased towards his ideas against energy conservation (IIRC he realized and admitted his faults only
later in life, before death). I frankly have already seen a couple of cases where he made wrong
interpretations of physical experiments seeing overunity in electrostatics, but those were just mistakes
of him. One example is his long argumentation in the first part of TWT-V about supposed overunity
effects in the Toepler machine, which I definitely studied and felt to discard (unfortunately!).
Another example (thanks to a member of our group for his translations from German !!!) is a statement
he made in an Italian article (http://digilander.libero.it/altraenergia/testa1.html), where he reported
that Poggendorff realized some violation of energy conservation in an electrostatic motor able to
recharge its HV capacitor - well, from studying that German Poggendorff's paper, our member concluded
that Marinov once again either didn't understand the paper, or he had serious physics lacunae.
Just add that to all the devices he built which would have allegedly violated some extablished physics
principle. Thus, the only thing I can trust of Marinov is his first person experience with the Testatika and
the honesty with which he admitted he couldn't graps the principle.

I would like to read personally the papers you mentioned though, but once more I have to give up
because I can't read German... as for now, I can just suspect it's about some measurement errors
with the resulting magnetic field. Since the Rowland effect is usually so weak and so hard to measure
without proper tools, they might have failed even by some orders of magnitude to measure it, assuming
perhaps a larger value, which mathematically standed for a larger charge density than actually is...

[mikewatson]

Hi Hel,


The experiment was done by Christian Monstein not Marinov. It was just reported in Deutsche Physik. Attached is a pdf of one page of it showing the experimental setup used by Monstein.


I would suggest that Monstein's method is not trivial and had little to do with Marinov's belief in overunity/ampere bridge/Prof. Pappas etc etc.


Mike