Chas Campbell free power motor

[ashtweth_nihilisti]

Great answer Rich , and it does Take Altruism to disclose FE. With out OPEN sourced we will never progress, i feel peoples consciousness will alter with this disclosure, de centralization will make us better human beings.

Chas deep down i think knows this, and cares.

[Humbugger]

Great answer Rich , and it does Take Altruism to disclose FE. With out OPEN sourced we will never progress, i feel peoples consciousness will alter with this disclosure, de centralization will make us better human beings.

Chas deep down i think knows this, and cares.

I agree that Charles has that brave and persistent pioneer attitude we can all use more of.  I also agree that his motives and efforts seem to have been selfless and quite extraordinary for many years! 

If I have said anything in my posts that was perceived as discouraging to Charles, I sincerely apologize.  My only agenda is to help achieve quality energy measurements.

I'm not convinced that everyone is on the same page quite yet regarding all the details of good testing approaches, but I think the problems are mostly in the terminology. 

I agree with Stefan that 15 minutes continuous at any load greater than a couple of KW (real resistive) ought to be plenty of time to settle the system into steady-state running so that instantaneous power measurements would suffice and avoid any error due to flywheel-storage effects.  That "steady-state" approach was one of the two I described.

The other approach requires the watthour meters and simply counts all the energy going in vs all that going out during the entire duration of the runup, plus any arbitrary stable-running period you choose and the complete spin-down. 

Either approach requires using essentially resistive loads on the system output (which ensures only real forward power) and measuring only the real power to the system input from the AC grid (if used).

Output rectification and filtering is not needed given wideband true rms metering and resisive loads.  Power factor into a pure resistance is, by definition, unity; phase shift between voltage and current is, by definition, zero.  True rms metering will take care of any amplitude distortions. 

Meters used must, of course, have enough bandwidth to accommodate the frequency of the output power.  This requirement could be problematic in regard to using low cost watthour meters if the frequency is outside the 45-70Hz range.

Input battery and inverter are not needed if the input power measuring method can measure only real power and ignore reactive power.  Adding reactive power here will falsely lower the COP calculated, as it would make the input appear falsely larger.

Because each of these external elements adds inefficiencies, I'd try to avoid them, personally.  I would guess that Charles would be less comfortable also, seeing several energy-stealing power conditioning devices tacked into the power train.

Of course, if 3500/800 output to input ratios or anything close to that can be achieved in the steady state, those external losses would be easily negligible.  But if the result is only a bit more than unity, or a bit less, it might be hard to sort out all the various external losses.

Okay...I've said all I can say except thanks for listening and giving consideration and thought to my suggestions.  I hope they make sense to you all; they do to me.

Also, thanks to all, especially to Charles and Ashtweth, for facilitating these measurement efforts!  I look forward to seeing the results on video and in Ashtweth's report to the forum. 

Humbugger

[markdansie]

I have to agree with Humbugger re measurements having been involved many times in measuring projects.
Being a member of the NEC (New Energy Congress) I would like to attend the day you intend to validate and test the device. I would be non intrusive and be an independent observer. I live only a couple of hours away from Brisbane and will be in the country in September. I have to go to NZ tommorrow for a couple of days re a magnetic motor , but will be back until mid September. I would be happy to sign a Non disclosure and you can look up my references on the NEC website.
I admire Chas Campbells spirit, motives and intentions and he should be applauded. However we must also take care that we do get accurate measurements and methodology that would put the device beyond doubt.
I have delt with many inventors for many years, however I am sad to report that they have often misled themselves in reading or seeing data selectively. I am not suggesting this applies here, but we must be certain of the outcomes.
By default I have become a skeptic by often revealing flawed methodologies in test data. This does not diminish my belief that some day a break through will come.
I wish all who are involved in the project every success and hope you will consider my offer of attending on behalf of the NEC
Kind Regards
Mark

[Mem]

After reading all the comments on the tread, it?s amazes me to see ?how smart the energy research people are. (Hum- I enjoy reading your comments. You are like a OU detective! You may get hired for that. Not by me thou LOL.

Good work Chas! You are an inspiring man, your work shall continue to progress and can?t be stop, just so you know.

Like previously has said your discovery may just be ?kinetic storage system?
It may very well look that way for us from outside.

But as a ou research scientist: We must write down the results we find and look into how we can further improve the technology.
And not to write down or spend time with those things that we have not found yet! To do so we throw the baby out with the bath water.
The technological breakthrough that we are achieved in every field today, It could have killed us 200 years a go if we made public announcement about ?inventions that are going to come next 200 years. As we all know that it?s true. Then surely we say the same today that, we are undreamed of the innovations yet to come just  in 10 years. You see the point here. 
 
Just like Chas, we need pioneers and way showers from every race and age.
Just imagine if had few more pioneers like Chas in their experienced and mature years to help us? As Chinese has said: Man is not mature before the age 70. So much for that, lots of mature man barely can walk after the age 70.

Hey you guys remember: It was more then a decade a go that China hired 800 retired German engineers to improve their economy, they weren?t kidding. They know the wisdom of their ancestors.   


Ash?s comments: This is also how Chas described it to me, after he creates center fugal force his system maintains the balance, and only a 'tiny' bit of input is needed to keep the action going.   

This could be the Chas?s invention breakthrough, but can?t we further improve this? Oh sure we can!
But, this will take all of our support thou. Impossible, takes just a little longer.

As from me, how about this:

Take Chas?s invention and install a prime mover using a 7.5 HP RV  motor?  As we all know 7.5 HP RV Motor uses only 65 to 70 Watts of input power (in a idle mode)

Hey Chas, I hope you get to hear this idea and apply on your invention.

Mem>>

[wattsup]

@Hum

If Chas's wheel machine ran in a closed box, and you measured the heat generated and added that to the output, could this count also in the final results?

I have always been curious about the heat.

I think it was on peswiki or something that I saw a new device chip waffer or something that made electricity from heat. What if the drive motor and generator were covered with these also. Take some of that energy and return it to source.

Or maybe I'm just trying to draw water from a rock.

Sometimes in my 100s of tests and dodads, OU would be so close and the motors would be so hot. Hello.......

Does anyone have the plans for Chas's machine so we can consider replicating it. I imagine that at a certain point in the wheel exchanges there is a partial void that occurs between the push of the movite and swirl of the captive sides. Both the larger wheels are acting as centrifugal and and the smaller pulley wheels are acting as centripital drag reducers. The drag from the generator is so far away from this drive motor moving all that mass with rotational gain, central void, and drag curtain. This is just totally smart, smart, smart. A motion coil. Two poles with a void.

I want one! I'm sure after a first replication, you could then sell the plans all over. Even make and sell unassembled or assembled units. Call Ikea. lol Geez wooden wheels, who would have thought.