Chas Campbell free power motor

[rMuD]

hartiberlin,

Putting a ball in each hole at one time would not be a true representation
of how his system works.

Again, being that the balls roll at maybe a 30 to 35 degree slope
after it hits the PCS pipes, and then slam the wheel with extra energy.

Nobody has added that into the equation Yet.   (Hans... still waiting...)

It also would not take into consideration a gradual time slope which
gets the forces up to a certain speed and centrifical force.  This
could result in improper results.

Ive already listed the things that Chas can do to fix his machine
which are fairly easy to do.  (with the bottom gate being the
most challenging, but still achievable for such a handy inverter)

I think its easier it he just repair that points I suggest than to
speculate further.

Net Gain is 0   pushing 1 distance or dropping with acceleration still equals 1 unit of work to the machine   F=ma

Mass of Object = 1;
Free falling in a vacuum at Sea Level is  9.78 m/s
Device will operate at a rate of 1m/s

Both apply to the meter/second.. so it takes 1 second to fall 9.78 meters, and 9.78 seconds for the device to travel

Distance of Travel we will say to be simple is 9.78m

Freel Fall will give us 
F = 1 x 9.78 =  9.78  X 1 Second
F = 9.78

Device
F = 1 X 1 = 1 x 9.78 Seconds
F = 9.78

Free Fall Force = Device Pushing Force

[markdansie]

The trouble with not taking a scientific approach to validating this project is it does more damage than good to the Free Energy Cause. The same thing happenned with the Joe Cell, it was surrounded by cultish believers but to this day not one Joe cell can be produced that will run a car without fuel. the ony people to benefit were the stailess steel vendors.
I also find it amusing that a person like myself who is a member of the New Energy Congress, who has travelled the world evaluating these types of technologies (I have had 37 flights this year including 16 internationals) is not allowed to attend a demonstration of this device. Why?
I guess the next step is to try and discredit me, or as in the case of the Joe Cell people threaten me.
Mark

[Humbugger]

Okay...I give up.  This is where the laughter breaks out as the arrogant professor tears out his hair and the plotting students roll on the floor at their successful crazy-making.

Stefan obviously is not stupid.  Everyone can clearly see the point I have made is correct.  Stefan pretends not to get it.  Humbugger goes insane being told he is wrong by an authority figure when everyone can plainly see he is right.

Humbugger, you are correct in your analysis, but I think yo should look closely at what stefan has said:

If you stop the wheel, when the next ball has come up at the left side,
it has enough time to run out to 4x.
Then always one ball is at the right side and it can then start the wheel again.

Stefan seems to be under the impression that you can stop the wheel and wait for the ball to go in.  Maybe this is possible with some type of mechanism to keep the wheel from rolling backwards.  With Chas's wheel, I think as soon as you have more force on the lift side than on the descending side, the wheel will start to move in the opposite direction.

Shrugged:

Yes, it is obvious I have failed to communicate well enough.  Please think about this one last time.

No matter the stopping and going.  No matter the rate of balls rolling along ramps.  No matter the number of extra balls waiting on ramps. 

If there is two feet of linear distance between each of the 12 cups on the outer wheel and if the fixed places where the ramps feed and retrieve the balls into and out of the wheel's cups are only one foot apart, then there will be some times when there are no balls in the outer wheel's cups

In other words, once again, when the cup with the ball in it gets to the exit ramp and moves out of the big wheel's cup and onto the ramp, at that very moment, no matter there may be 87 balls waiting and ready to get into the next available entry cup from the top ramp, the receiving cup isstill a whole foot away from being in position to receive a ball.  

In this case, the time of having a ball on the wheel and the time it would be empty would be equal.  For our torque add-up then, we would only count half of one ball on the right side of the wheel as an average.

Stefan keeps insisting there would always be at least one ball on the outer wheel.  He seems to think there will automatically be a cup in position to receive a new ball as soon as the ball is present at the feeding end of the upper ramp.  In reality, it can't get on the wheel until the next empty cup arrives.

Only a forward jerking infinite-speed motion could get the next empty cup in place to receive the new ball at the same time the old ball leaves its cup for the exit ramp.  Stopping the wheel does nothing.  I am already giving that the ramps always have a fresh ball in position whenever a cup comes by.

"Stefan seems to be under the impression that you can stop the wheel and wait for the ball to go in."

You would have an infinitely long wait on your hands if you stopped the wheel at the moment the lower ball leaves it cup.  The upper "feed" ramp may have a ball ready after only a moment, but the wheel will be even further out of position to receive it if it has been stopped or slowed.

Please tell me you get it now.  Please...even if you have to lie!   

Humbugger

[Humbugger]

The trouble with not taking a scientific approach to validating this project is it does more damage than good to the Free Energy Cause. The same thing happenned with the Joe Cell, it was surrounded by cultish believers but to this day not one Joe cell can be produced that will run a car without fuel. the ony people to benefit were the stailess steel vendors.
I also find it amusing that a person like myself who is a member of the New Energy Congress, who has travelled the world evaluating these types of technologies (I have had 37 flights this year including 16 internationals) is not allowed to attend a demonstration of this device. Why?
I guess the next step is to try and discredit me, or as in the case of the Joe Cell people threaten me.
Mark

Mark:

Deathbed request...will you and rMuD and ShruggedAtlas and Hans and Argona369 and Tinu take over for me after I croak or get banned?  It would settle my heart and soul.  Your post echoes my sentiments exactly and in fewer, less "pointy" words.

Humbugger ~ not long for this world my friends

[shruggedatlas]

Please tell me you get it now.  Please...even if you have to lie!   

Humbugger

I get it now - I was looking at the wrong chart.  In the 3.8763 distance diagram, it looked like the receptacles lined up perfectly to get the balls, but I see you are now discussing a distance of 4:1, where the receptacle cup cannot get to the next ball in time, so you would indeed have no balls at all, and you would need Chas's arm to help the device along. 

On the bright side, I think the wheel can still work.  We simply need to pay Chas to stand next to it and give it a little push every few seconds or so.  Of course to determine over or under unity, we have to calculate the calories in the food we feed Chas and then make an appropriate calculation of the work he is doing, so we can compare.  Hans, can you assist with such calculations?

To increase efficiency, we could also deliver the food to Chas's mouth using a flywheel.