Chas Campbell free power motor

[FreeEnergy]

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1513.0.html

did anyone ever look at this? or this thread was going too fast for you guys?

[gaby de wilde]

True, the extra momentum of the dropping ball is not imparted to the wheel, but instead the wheel gets to enjoy the benefit of the ball's weight sooner.

No it does not, like this the mass is moving slower as the wheel when it's put on. A common mistake of skeptics is to simplify a stadium to make it easy to debunk.

If you take the balls out it doesn't work either? lol?

[hansvonlieven]

G'day FreeEnergy and all,

The optimum for a system such as this is to get the ball as quickly as possible to the outside perimeter where it does the most good and keep it there as long as you possibly can.

Your design wastes much of what little energy there is to start with by not using its full potential.

Valiant try though, shows you are thinking and are prepared to have a go, good attributes.

Hans von Lieven

[shruggedatlas]

The ball is NOT waiting - it IS IN THE WHEEL!!!

My mistake on that, but it does not matter.  Even if the ramp is in the wheel, you end up with the same result.  While the ball is sliding down the ramp, the ramp is absorbing some but not all of the weight (not as much as if the ball was teleported into the cup), and also in process braking the fall of the ball.  When the ball does land in the cup, it does not land as hard as it would have had it simply dropped.  In your analagy, it would be like me trying to catch a keg of beer as it rolled down a 30 degree ramp versus trying to catch it dropped from the top of the ramp coming straight down.  The ramp absorbs some of the force, so it is much easier for me to catch it without dying.

It all comes out even in the end.  Teleporting the ball into the cup but doing it earlier equals dropping the ball into a ramp in the wheel and having it exert a partial force on the way down the ramp and the remainder of its force on impact.  I suspect I am not convincing you, but I just cannot explain it any better.

And Gaby, I did not understand what you said.  I know English is not your first language, but all I got was that I oversimplified it and "LOL!"

[zero]

"While the ball is sliding down the ramp, the ramp is absorbing some but not all of the weight"

Why?   If you are on a moving train,  and you were pushed in a cart down the isle, 
gravity is always pulling you down.

Are you saying that if everyone were in moving carts, the weight would half?


Also, the time it takes for the ball to traverse the slide is very small.   Yet, the
end resulting force blast it delievers at the bottom is much greater.

"it does not land as hard as it would have had it simply dropped"

Of course.  However, if you look at the setup from the 2d drawing.. there is
no "DROP" happening.   There is a ball rolling gently into a cup.

A DROP would need some distance to allow gravity to maximize the
pull.   To get full terminal velocity.   There is no such distance.

However, one could modify the design to cause a more vertical drop,
which might gather more energy.   In one of my pics "forces.jpg"  you
can see how I modified the slope to impact at a straight angle...
expelling more force downwards instead of at a diagonal angle.

Weather or not you can catch a Keg is not pertinent to the machine   lol

"Teleporting the ball into the cup but doing it earlier equals dropping the ball into a ramp in the wheel "

Wrong again. You are IMPLYING that you are "Dropping" the ball again,  which you are not
in the 2d drawing.   Always messing the facts up... 

And because you are not, the energy output with at least a sloped drop WILL result
in GREATER OUTPUT ENERGY.