Chas Campbell free power motor

[Pirate88179]

Shruggedatlas:

Ah, mother nature keeping things in balance again....I hate that. Thank you for the explanation.  So, the magnets won't release at the end without gravity.....hmmmm....even velocity won't overcome this? What about, instead of the angle at the end, it curved outward in a semi-parabolic shape? Kind of like  )(  on the curved portion at the end and keeping the angles at the begining.  I am sorry for speculating.  Most would say, "if you think it might work, build it", and they would be right. One of the things I enjoy about this forum is that it saves a lot of us from going down dead end paths that have been attempted before. I wish I had this forum years ago.... ha ha.

Bill

[shruggedatlas]

Shruggedatlas:

Ah, mother nature keeping things in balance again....I hate that. Thank you for the explanation.  So, the magnets won't release at the end without gravity.....hmmmm....even velocity won't overcome this? What about, instead of the angle at the end, it curved outward in a semi-parabolic shape? Kind of like  )(  on the curved portion at the end and keeping the angles at the begining.  I am sorry for speculating.  Most would say, "if you think it might work, build it", and they would be right. One of the things I enjoy about this forum is that it saves a lot of us from going down dead end paths that have been attempted before. I wish I had this forum years ago.... ha ha.

Bill

No need to apologize.  It is good to talk about things before building them, so that you can get some advice and save some time beforehand.

As far as your proposal, if you have a ramp at the top, you mitigate the force of gravity and you may not be able to get the ball away from the magnets.  The ball has velocity, but not enough to get away from the magnets unassisted by gravity.  In the video below, someone sets up what is in my opinion the best attempt to make this work perpetually.  They basically take several ramps and make a circle from them.  Still no go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmsu9NbLxGk

[Pirate88179]

Shruggedatlas:

Thanks for the reply.  The video was short, but interesting. Obviously many others have been working on this for a while now.  (unlike me for this approach) I like your idea about the rods where you could adjust the angle very slightly and easily. Good idea. It may turn out that to "release" the ball might be an adustment of only a few thousands of an inch. With your idea, this could be tested very accurately.

Bill

[Pirate88179]

P-Motion:

I like the idea of simulating mass reduction (or is it just weight reduction?) of the bearing by raising the magnets as the incline increases.  I would think this would have to be done in a precise manner otherwise, the bearing will fly to the closest mag. A lot of good ideas here.

Bill

[Pirate88179]

P-Motion:

I agree. I think you are talking about calculating vectors, which, with my weak mathematics background, is beyond me.  There are some very intelligent, and educated, people on here that I am sure could help you figure out how to do that. I also like the idea of varring the power of the magnets as it goes along.  Also, if you had magnets placed over the top of the sphere as you mentioned, toward the end of the track run, to get the sphere to release more easily could be done by possibly just using the magnets on the top near the very end.  Then as soon as the sphere leaves the track, and drops ever so slightly, it might be out of the influence of the top magnets and certainly not attracted by the side magnets as it has already passed them.

Bill