Chas Campbell free power motor

[rMuD]

I am probably categorized with hum...  but you probably banned one of the most proponents of new energy...  by bringing people back to reality on basic simple known by simple math is not going to work.. and proven for 1000 years... 

If you put the task to the math for knocking over a tree..  one will say that it takes a massive amount of energy to knock that tree over..  more than it's economically worth...  yet taking a few thousand watts of energy to cut the tree in half with a chainsaw vs pushing it over would be a considerable positive gain in energy created that what it took to produce it.

this forum, these group of people need to focus on things outside of general physics...  it's been beaten by a dead horse for 1000 years...  let keep the focus outside of the box.. if we want a gravity machine, we need something that interferes with gravitational force so that there is a net gain or loss..  it's not going to be levers, pulleys, etc..  "simple machine" math     spin it 20,000rpm, tune to the resonance frequency at the molecular level...   get something beyond normal physics of matter... or work on a exception like the fastest path isn't a straight line, or re-arrange parts of a area and it takes up less...  something has to be outside of the general rules of matter

now saying that..  watching the video where a guy uses magnets to move a ball around a circle.. using pendilums to do the magnetic gate, and the ball to apply a force to the pendulum to sync the swing, and to keep it moving.. and it's been running for a month http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=us7YB7eiOeQ&mode=related&search=   mechanically self sustaining resonance...  or not..  reply video says he has to dust it off every few days or it will restart.. meaning he has to stop it every few days and restart it.. but I'd say this device is near unity

[OldInventor]

Atack a cripled man?  jest fur asking if questons?  I thing Ashtwon shoul be ashame of his owen self!  Steven is the bos yes butt is beeing a bad bos.  Ashtwen is who was hrashing Humbrgr if yask me!  Just making  fun of huumberger becuaz he asks the saym qestons untill a ansewr?  an humbreger gets a baning?  you guy are the sickest one!

I can built an noen circut and I did it!  It dont work to chargering up any batterys fast like Ashtown says it.  Only can make a chargings up faster if moters are slowwing down and draws more amps! 

I using of moters 58 years sense world war two surplus times and I am to done many moters with useing the capactor and the toonings to getting a low enuohg power to do easy runings of without any loads.  this did generatos too with them and cannot ever be charge baterys fast so more then fastnes of drayning down that main batery!  I even did try many of a 400 CPZS herzes moters and using 400 cpsz herzes generatos too and 12 or 15 dynemoters of US air forces kinds and army.  even three phazes too!

I agrred with Humbreger an I sais "prove it or dont sais it" for Ashtwon!  I dont like it if people are to make fun and baning on disabled people!  I sais Ashtwon and Stevan are ashame!  Butt they making moneys here so Humbergerrt had to be kick off i geuss!

[RoadRunner]

If Chas Campbell paid $50 for his steel ball, I wonder how much Reidar Finsrud paid for his.

The RoadRunner..

[gaby de wilde]

If Chas Campbell paid $50 for his steel ball, I wonder how much Reidar Finsrud paid for his.

The RoadRunner..

I guess we are all cheap and disabled in our own perverted ways. Maybe we should all patch in and build the worlds biggest smot device? One of the drawbacks of the smot is that the height of the ramp is limited by the size of the ball? lol?

If we bother him enough I bet we can get Finsrud himself to build it for us. Then we get Richard Brandston to roll the balls up the ramp. Attaching a wheel to our big smot should be easy for us profesional free energy research nerds. We have all the arguments insertion height complications right here in the topic already.

I think 50 Euros per participant would be good to get rid of this cheap feeling. It will bring us closer together like in a cult.

But it would still take a lot of people to buy our own custom made Finstrud-mobile.

I even made a construction drawing.



I think it's very artistic already? no?

But doesn't this fix the complications with Chas device already?

There could be a second SMOT at the lower end?

[gaby de wilde]

In my head Chas second device ended up a 1000 KG concrete flywheel cast in a ditch with it's axle fixed onto a generator. Then use the slippery belt stuffs to make it go. You can drive your car on top and give it a good whirl.

we wanted to put a  600KVA unit in the basement of the building, the elevators couldn't handle the discs individually that made up the 3 meter tall stack of them, we were going to have to dig a hole and cut a hole in the side of the building to put them in.. decided to scrap the project.

Concrete would be a nightmare to balance..  1000KG

make it float with it's axle at the height of the bearings.Bit of wax etc You can also make 2 of 500 kg on the same axle. 4 of 250 kg etc :-) Can we fix the generator straight on the axle?

these are already manufactured by 10-20 different companies, and are wide spread used around the world..  generations of experience out there making these

search for "Rotary UPS" on Google,

A Rotary UPS is used for High Current Loads to suppliment the power for the 10-20 seconds til the Generator can fire up on a back up power system.   The Rotary UPS is a Motor that spins a flywheel that powers a Generator. This device is placed after your Transfer switch and is directly connected to your load. All Load in your factory, Datacenter, etc.. etc.. etc..  is always connected thru the Rotary UPS Grid Power, Generator, Alternate Power, etc.. is switched before it goes to the Rotary UPS in another words it's a Giant Mechanical Battery

Yes, that's what I found so interesting about it. You can store energy in just about any mass.

Rotary UPS is also used to handle spike loads when your near your full capacity, the flywheel can absorb the peak loads.. like a motor starting, then it can spin back up over time to cover that load..  if I had several 1000HP motors starting at once, I'd rather use a Rotary UPS to handle the mega watt load for 1-2 seconds vs only needing 200-300kw to keep it running

a clutch and/or a torque convertor on a car with a Automatic Transmission, or a "go-kart"  clutch  

Literally, besides the Pulley's  which I have seen older Rotary UPS use..  is the same construction and I will say "concept" as I havn't seen chas's device up close, nor is it to scale as the the smallest Rotary UPS I've seen  400KVA, but I know they do down to 30KVA

There remains much to play and tune the resonant flapping of the belts into harmony with the speed and the size of the wheels. I'm not making any promise there is a benefit if all those effects are tuned. One could gather a lot of data on this. The slipping just caps the energy intake.

What I want to know:

1) How much losses are there relative to the size of those big flywheels.

2) I'm trying to imagine using a windmill to zero out the losses.

3) What kind of size ratio would it need?

4) How big would a class A area windmill need to be to keep our 1000 kg flywheel spinning.

get the spec sheets on the Rotary UPS, they usually have all that information and formula's  if not a salesman will be glad to either do the calculation or give you the formula.

I've had a look it's the same technology but it's not really the product this idea is looking for. It does however make mechanical energy storage sound very credible. A tank with 1000 liters of mercury and you have all the pressure you need to keep it moving. I'm sure any chemist can come up with an even better set of compounds to do that trick? Bit of ambient heat gradients.

I wrote a blog post about those old clocks
(sorry for the messed up html lol)

I just love the concept of machines that run forever without looking after them. I know it's not a reality but it's still impressive how far we actually got.
Cornelis Drebbel, who invented the submarine was granted a patent in 1598 for a machine that told the time, date, and season. The gold machine was mounted in a globe on pillars and was powered by changes in air pressure a sealed glass tub with liquid varied in volume through atmospheric pressure changes.
James Cox and John Joseph Merlin build the Cox's timepiece around 1760. The device is powered from changes in atmospheric pressure via a mercury barometer. The driving barometer contains 68 kilograms (150 pounds) of mercury. The clock is designed to enable the timepiece to run indefinitely and overwinding is prevented by a safety mechanism. The prime mover, encased in a finely detailed clock body, is a Fortin mercury barometer.
Arthur Beverly build the Beverly Clock in 1864. The clock has been running continuously since its construction. The mechanism is driven by variations in atmospheric pressure bot primarly temperature variation. Either cause the air in a one cubic-foot air-tight box to expand and contract, pushing on a diaphragm. A six-degree Celsius temperature variation over the course of each day creates enough pressure to raise a one-pound weight by one inch or 11 joules.
Jaeger LeCoulter created the Atmos, a modern clock powered by the same principle as the Beverly Clock and Cox's clock. A mixture of gas and liquid (ethyl chloride) expands as the temperature rises and compresses a spring. For two days operation a temperature variation of one degree in the range between 15 and 30 degrees Celsius is enough. It also uses a torsion pendulum that executes two torsional oscillations per minute.
In a mechanical watch the mainspring stores the energy to operate, a long strip of hardened and blued steel or some specialised steel alloy, iron-nickel-chromium with the addition of cobalt- molybdenum- beryllium and cold-rolled for hardening. Sich spring on average is about 0.05?0.2 mm thick.
A torsion pendulum rotates about the vertical axis of the wire, spinning it, instead of swinging like a pendulum, it has a heavy disk or wheel with 3 or 4 chrome balls on ornate spokes, hanging on the torsion spring. The force of the twisting torsion spring reverses the direction of rotation, so the torsion pendulum oscillates slowly, clockwise and counterclockwise. The speed can be tuned by adjusting the spokes with the 4 balls that act like a governor. The clock's gears apply pulses at the top of the torsion spring to keep the wheel going as it rotates slowly it only takes little energy. the oscillation period changes with temperature. The closer the balls move to the axle, the smaller the moment of inertia and the faster it will turn.

Use that principal just make it much bigger?

The big trick here is to store the wind energy mechanically. Take that thought as literally as making the actual windmill out of the flywheel. I guess I also want to know the drag a floating flywheel presents per liter of water displaced. It's like a boat only it has no water displacement. And my final question is about flywheels made out of water but lets get to that later.

a windmill is a flywheel, they try to reduce the mass of the blades so that is can start with slower wind speeds.  A  floating flywheel?  I believe that the weight loss to make it float vs weight to give to the system isn't worth it... 

Yeah, but that isn't really the point of having an idea. If you do that with them it's not useful having them. It takes effort to come up with something workable. Just disbelieving it does not take any effort and doesn't lead anywhere.

I'm always happy to look at things just the way they are? I dunno? I don't need any artificial attributes to clutter my picture. What I mean is that I really have no idea how well a floating flywheel would work.  Now I don't think this or that, I know that I don't know it. Given how fast boats can sail while even displacing the water it is not a nonsense question.

Answers like "probably not" without explaining what there is so probable about it are just as premature as to claim this is something revolutionary.

For me the black box remains a black box if it is a black box. Chas may say it's free energy, you may say it's probably noting but I will say it's a black box if that's what it is. Don't get me wrong, but it's already sad to see people do this with other peoples ideas. Imagine what they do with their own ideas? I don't see the point in creatively thinking towards a goal then stopping half way because it's probably nothing. LOL You had to figure out the flywheel discs didn't fit into the elevator first then you knew. Before that you couldn't have made a good guess about it. If you would say  we can also set the flywheel on fire, that will sure prevent it from working. Then at least I can engineer something to fix the problem envisioned.  You think it's not going to work, it's easy to stop doing that kind of thinking. This train of thought is not going anyplace you see? For a large percentage the things actually become nothings the moment one nominates them as such. It's very funny really.

mgeups.com
http://upsci.com/UPS-rotary.htm
http://www.cat.com/cda/layout?m=37516&x=7
http://www.kstechnology.co.uk/rotary_ups_200.html
http://www.criticalpowergroup.com/html/rotary_ups___continuous_power_.html
http://www.kstechnology.co.uk/
http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/5730/612

Very industrial, there nothing available for normal people? The whole market is empty? wiew? I hear they have power outages every year in places like Florida. But I can imagine a few other places where peoples luxury livings go without electricity every now and then.

Rotary UPS are only good for a few seconds, usually enough time to start a generator without having power interuption...  when designing a system it's cost vs tolerable power outage..  and cost of statuc ups vs a rotary ups..  rotary really doesn't come into play til your into the megawatt range, but for some applications as small as 400kva

in a consumer product,  less than 1% of houses have Generators, and .0001% of them have a need less than 5-10 minyutes of down time, and $100 USD at electronics store for a Battery UPS would cover the need for 99.99999% of that 0.0001% that need that kinda uptime

Yes, that is exactly the way we have been looking at this flywheel stuffs. But I'm awfully interested in directing motion into mass using all kinds of tricks.

I had this fantastic idea for a self powered elevator,

The system will utilise artificial intelligence and a system of electronic doors to create a hamster track, it will then refuse to transport X overweight passengers per day. Those overweight people will then have to walk up using the stairs. Moving downstairs they are allowed to take the elevator again which effectively energises the system proportional to the persons exercise needs.

Because of the ingniueity of the AI hamster track system the heavy people will never know there actually was an elevator until they climb the stairs.

In the unique case of big persons complaints we can always blame it on the lack of power generated by our self powered elevator. It just wouldn't work if we would allow them on. 

If that doesn't convince you of my flywheelosophy I don't know what will. lol

From a product point of view: As long as it has a windmill component we can put all the overunity machines in the flywheel we like, and no one will complain about it. But personally I would be interested in seeing a newman motor running on a dead battery spin up a flywheel. It would be cool to see how much mass such  motor can keep up to speed for next to no amps.

if a newman motor could start a big flywheel with little energy, there would be no need to use a flywheel [/quote] Oh, but there are plenty of super efficient motors that have little or no torque. They don't even have to be working self-energisers. I just like to think it takes less torque to keep a flywheel spinning as it takes to speed it up. Am I wrong in that assumption?

About David Hamel, you mention balancing the flywheel was a problem but I think a slight unbalance and a bit of freedom to wobble combined with a ring of repulsive magnets around the rim could actually make use of the wobble by bouncing it back inwards.

hamelarian aquamagnetic bearings

give it a try.. but that is alot of energy pushing on the structure to mount it...  [/quote]

But if it's rolling in water already, then it needs 2 horizontal magnets only?

A pendulum swings much faster if you stick a magnet under it. Do you have an idea why this would be any different for flywheels? Will this decrease the amount of energy we can store in it or increase it?

I'm currently experimenting with torsion pendulums and governors suspended therefrom. Spins for hours, most incredible. :-)
http://groups.physics.umn.edu/demo/waves/movies/3A1030.mov