US #4,936,96 Stan Meyers Patent Expired and FREE to ALL

[Farlander]

What happened to a thread about Meyer's patent?

Of course, one can never prove anything, only say that it happened a certain way before and assume it will happen again (i.e. statistics.)

In Meyer's case, there is no hard evidence, his device is lost, and so far I can't walk into Kmart and buy a fuel cell.

However, there is high reason to believe that his technology, if legitimate, has been suppressed by third parties.  Also, why would the U.S. patent office give a patent to somebody for a technology that had no value?

What would be nice is more people coming forward with their prototypes and plans for replication.

[Feynman]

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[Inventor81]

Inventors are given plenty of patents every day that have no practical value. The patent does not require that it be able to run a car. If it's a hydrogen producing device, there is no liters per second per watt that it has to put out to get a patent approval.

It just has to be novel, i.e. different, and non-obvious to someone in the field.

Both of those get trounced on daily. There's a patent relating to some work I'm doing - a guy patented IN 2005!!!!!! "means of producing an image on a distant surface". It involved film, an image producing liquid crystal panel, or other image producing device, a light source, and a plurality of optical elements to focus light onto a distant surface so as to reproduce the still or moving image upon said surface.

Sounds like he just patented every kind of projector there is.

I bet he's just rolling in the royalties.

A patent is just paper. The proof is in the pudding.

If Meyer had what he said he had, all he needed was to make half a dozen and ship them to folks, and he'd have been rolling in the dough. Instead, he hit the local media and showed them an aquarium bubbler and a car with a hidden gas tank.

HOWEVER. I (and others) have a circuit dumping 19 kilojoules per mole of water (or hydrogen... 1:1 molar ratio, 1:.5 for oxygen) instead of the textbook 250 kilojoules per mole.

Looks not a damn thing like meyer's cell. Hell, doesn't even have metal in it.

Mwuah ha ha ha! Figure that one out yet?

Anyhow, I'll have a youtube video up in a few weeks once I have some performance numbers that I can stand firmly on, in a vehicle, vs. on a bench. Also upping the size and power so I can put out 100% HHO for idle power instead of gas. Have to work out all the ECU input spoofing as well, so I can cut fuel down and get visible mileage gains. Loads of work ahead, but the proof, again, is in the pudding.

Do you guys like raisins and cinnamon?

[Feynman]

So are you going to publish the details open-source ?

[Feynman]

Okay, I am going to do some calculations to see how all this fits together.  You said a 13.2x increase in HHO production off "textbook" COP.   The best HHO generators on youtube are about 2L/min  and I am being generous there.

Based on this figure (2L/min), a 13.2x increase in COP would give you 26.4L/min.  Does this sound about right? If you are serious, this is nothing short of a breakthrough.  I hope you are serious and not playing games or fucking around.

I will continue regardless, because I want to examine the possibility of "idling" a car engine off the setup you say you've got going. According to the document, High-efficiency series-cell electrolyzer, from June 2006,  the author claims idling a small car engine would consume 3000LPH of HHO, which would come out to a demand of 50L/min.

So your production figure is short of the requirement to idle a small engine.  However, given the complete lack of data here, it is entirely possible it takes only 25L/min to idle a car engine.    So I think this is possible, dependent upon liters per minute of production. 

Estimated Production: 26.4L/min
Estimated Demand: 50L/min
Possible: Yes

And if your cell does not have metal in it, I think it is possible it works ultrasonically. Perhaps you can post schematics, a picture, a description, etc.

Thanks,
Feynman