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US #4,936,96 Stan Meyers Patent Expired and FREE to ALL

Started by saintsnick, July 12, 2007, 06:27:31 PM

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radiant_energy

Hello
I do not know if in this thread you checked already this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HjIyxEvAYM

Greetings


Inventor81

By my current calculations we're dumping 18 kilojoules per mole of hydrogen produced (liters per minute does not matter... it's liters per joule...)

a fellow researcher has a cell burning about 430 watts, and over the course of about 15 seconds gets .5 liters. That's just over 6 kilojoules. 6 kilojoules per half liter goes to 18 kilojoules per 1.5 liters, since 18 grams of water (one mole) will yield a mole of H2, and a half mole of O2, at STP that's 1 liter of H2 and a half liter of O2. I'm neglecting the .01 grams or so of water vapor required to saturate a liter and a half of air. As I understand it, H2O vapor is quite a bit less soluble in HHO than in air, but I'm going for the worst case scenario... .01 grams does not make up for 230 missing kilojoules.

So, by my calculations, a 100 horsepower engine would need a 400 amp alternator dumping all its output into a cell to provide all the fuel for the engine to run at full tilt. that's about 9 horsepower worth of alternator. So you turn a 100 horsepower engine into a 91 horsepower engine, but you can run it on water. If you're concerned about a 9 peak horsepower loss, then you've got more wrong with you than worrying about gas prices.

Based on materials cost and time available I've scaled things down to run a small Briggs and Stratton engine. I believe it's a 4 horsepower model, horizontal shaft. I'm waiting on a new magneto for it, but I have a spare alternator (65 amp) that I'll be putting on it. 65 amps @ 14 volts  =  910 watts. using the same ratio as above, you can see I'll be producing 16 horsepower worth of hydrogen (about 12 kilojoules, or .05 moles per second...) This is MORE than enough HHO to run the engine at full power, so I will likely have to gear down the alternator a bit. I've also got to work out a carb system that will allow me to vary the amount of HHO more quickly than a change in current allows (there's tons of bubbles released from electrolysis, so the "throttle response" is limited by the time it takes the bubbles to rise and pop).

I will be posting the details of the functioning, but the cell itself will remain relatively secret for the time being. I intend on selling them, assuming it works, for about 20% over cost, which right now is about 100 bucks per cell, all told, including all the tubing and switches and wire. If the briggs works, then I'll be happy to disclose anything at all - but there's already a cell out there that does this. Mine is just an improvement on that cell, that reduces maintenance and eliminates the need for a bubbler or line dryer to keep water from getting sucked into the engine. It should also work on tap water, without any significant addition of electrolyte. I will definitely keep you posted, but the details of the cell construction that I'll be keeping temporarily secret are NOT what makes all the hydrogen. It's a bit like building a plane and keeping the location and type of grease fittings secret, and giving away blueprints for the engine.

Far be it from me to tuck something away in a closet and keep the world from seeing relatively cheap energy, but I dare anyone else on this forum to challenge my decision in keeping it under wraps for a bit, and for looking at making a little money to help pay off my house. Everyone deserves to be paid for their time and effort, and I'm attempting to balance that with making this available to everyone else. Once the video is up on youtube I'll post a link, but according to my calculations, one of Zero's cells is operating in this efficiency range.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y21NzSZQeWE

435 watts

14.5 seconds

.5 liters.

6KJ

(watts * seconds)

Rock on.

I can tell you right now that it's a capacitive breakdown event. Think about avalanche diodes. It's like a plasma, in that it's charged, but it's room temperature, and a solid. So, they have a funny name for it - avalanche. One electron knocks free another, and after the collision they both gain enough energy from the electric field to knock off a few more each... it builds... into an avalanche. Small current in from the battery, same current back out, but in the electrolyte, those extra electrons are consumed by the hydrogen to produce neutrally charged H2. (and by the O2).

This should only happen if there is a catalytic site for this to occur... i.e. the cheater/robber plates (neutral plates... look up some electroplating info... they use these on occasion to limit total cell voltage drop, etc., not just in electrolysis)

It's a nice catalytic site for the avalanched electrons to collect and combine with hydrogen and oxygen, and the plate itself is a low-resistance current shunt for these electrons to jump through, maintaining their kinetic energy.

I have a feeling that JLN's Bingo Fuel reactor... with a thermal plasma generated underwater... is probably a bit less efficient than this, since alot of energy is going into joule heating of the plasma, and the water, rather than into actually making hydrogen. Also, only a small volume of water is involved in the actual reaction at any point in time.

DC baby. Rocks my world.

DanPike

Quote from: saintsnick on July 12, 2007, 06:27:31 PM
In June of 2007, the fundamental "Methods" patent of Stanley Meyer (US #4,936,961)  expires, finally placing this technology into the public domain in the United States.

BUILD IT. SELL IT.

Not sure if this includes the other patent utilizing Laser energy to FURTHER increase yield.

Replications starting to pop up around the globe !

http://www.h2earth.org/main.htm

Remember:

As LITTLE current flow as possible according to Meyer... less current = less power input

NO ELECTROLYTES, to CUT current and Cut corosion too, distilled water BEST

NO Magical Frequency

-All about water acting as dielectric, PREVENTING current flow.
-High Voltage circuit step charges water cell as giant capacitor
-Voltage SPIKES step voltage upward in water cell.
-Catastrophic VOLTAGE Breakdown of water, NO CURRENT
-HV Chokes further STOP Current
-HV Diode causes unidirectional pulses upon water, alowing charge build up
-Circuit as whole electrically TUNED to resonate: Water Capacitance, HV Choke   
    Inductance, Transformer Inductance. DO THE CALCULATIONS, TUNE YOUR CIRCUIT
-Simple HV Circuits work BETTER than fancy ones... JUST TUNE THE HV SIDE of ckt
-555 / FET / Transformer ckts HAVE worked
-Feedback PLL ckt NOT necessary... only helps maintain stable output

ANY BETTER IDEAS POSTED AFTER THIS is  DISINFORMATION
ANY NEGATIVE REPLIES TO THIS is  DISINFORMATION

READ THE PATENT
Be the NEXT recreation !

One correction error would be the "magical frequency" is the pulse generated to resonate with the frequency of the water molecule (zero point energy). In one of Stans demonstrations, it states he is using a pulse generator, generating a pulse of around 20khz. Once in resonance with the water molecule (zero point energy), the high voltage low amperage can take over and fracture the bonds of the water molecule with ease. That is the only main difference between conventional electrolysis and Stans method of pulsing to fracture. While the conventional method uses shit loads of watts to break the bonds, and usually needs an added ingredient in the water to ionize it, which results in less power out than power put it, Stans method uses resonance by pulsing and the right frequency and can use around 10 watts to fracture the water bonds. This is the same principle when you rub your wet finger around the rim of a wine glass half full of water. If you rub to fast, there is no sound. You can rub faster and faster, using more and more energy and only emit small amounts of sound from the friction, which is akin to the conventional method of electrolysis. BUT if you rub your finger around at the right speed, in resonance to the wine glass and how much water is inside, the sound will get louder and louder and louder, as long as you keep in resonance, if you speed up or slow down, the sound will go, which is akin to stans method of pulsation and fracture. :)