The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory

[ltseung888]

The explanation from the Bedini Website http://johnbedini.net:
Should be interesting to explain the operation of this 10 Coil battery charger from the Lead-Out Energy Theory.

Let me make a number of assumptions which may or may not be correct with regard to my understanding of the Bedini 10 Coil battery charger.  If incorrect, I may need to think more and modify the following explanation.

Assumptions:
1.   The Coil has soft iron.  To avoid the strong attraction by the magnets at start up, each coil faces two magnets.  One magnet has N pole and the other has S pole.
2.   Each Coil has both the function of Drive Coil and Collector Coil.  The Coil Windings would reflect that.
3.   The sensing mechanism can be in one coil only.  That can trigger the pulse to all the 10 coils. The same explanation should work if there were 10 separate sensing mechanisms â€" each controlling one Coil.

Explanation of the Operation:
1.   The Wheel is placed vertically.  Thus both gravitational and electron motion (magnetic) energy can be lead-out.
2.   With a Pulled Pendulum by a horizontal force, the gravitational energy lead-out can be calculated to be approximately 50% of the supplied horizontal energy.  If the force were always tangential to the radius, the figure can be 67%.
3.   With the non-constant speed rotation of the wheel in a magnetic field, the lead-out energy can be much higher.  This is due to the fact that the magnetic field can produce an acceleration much more than 9.8 m/s/s and that the direction of the magnetic field was not just vertical.
4.   The wheel was effectively accelerating and decelerating in its rotational motion.  The acceleration was due to the Pulsing.  The deceleration was due to friction, air resistance and external load (include charging of batteries) drawing energy out from the wheel. 
5.   The acceleration cycle gained its energy from the supplied electrical energy PLUS the lead-out gravitational and electron motion energy.  The total effective Input Energy is this sum and would enter the Wheel system. 
6.   If the wheel were not rotating too fast, this combined Input Energy would enter the Wheel system totally.  If the wheel were rotating too fast, only part of this energy would enter the system and a lower efficiency would result.  Thus the blind quest for higher rotational speed is detrimental to efficiency.
7.   Since the two magnets facing the Coil have N and S pole, the combined effective force would be A-B where A and B are the effective forces pushing and pulling the magnets.  One is attraction and one is repulsion.  This is the reason why the device only has an efficiency of 23% when used as a motor when energy is extracted from the axle.
8.   In this device, the energy was extracted from the Coil. The Coil acts both as a Drive Coil and a Collector Coil.  Even though the Input Power is from a Battery (DC), the extracted Output will have both AC and DC components.  The DC Pulse Current would send current in one direction.  The induced current due to the NSNSNS arrangement would be in both directions.
9.   Even if the rotational speed were too fast, some gravitational and electron motion (magnetic) energy would be lead-out.  This energy, after rectified to totally DC, could be significantly higher than the supplied Input DC Energy from the battery.
10.   Thus the recharging of batteries can take place.  The Output Energy not only can recharge the original source battery but also many secondary batteries.
11.   The charging of the secondary batteries is unlikely to be 100% because the Output Voltage and Current would not be high enough.  The Pulse Charging would also change the properties of the batteries.  The battery life might be less.  Some characteristics would change.  I experienced that in the Tong Wheel.


The above is my first attempt using the Lead-Out Energy Theory to explain the operation of the Bedini 10 Coil battery charger.  I shall have a chance to meet Mr. John Bedini face-to-face in China in the near future.  We shall discuss the above as an alternative explanation to his extracting zero point energy.


I shall try to suggest possible improvements to his 10 coil battery charger in a future post.


Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited

[mscoffman]

The above is my first attempt using the Lead-Out Energy Theory to explain the operation of the Bedini 10 Coil battery charger.  I shall have a chance to meet Mr. John Bedini face-to-face in China in the near future.  We shall discuss the above as an alternative explanation to his extracting zero point energy.


I shall try to suggest possible improvements to his 10 coil battery charger in a future post.


Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited

You know;
It should be possible to convert a raw 10 coiler Bedini machine
kit into machine compatible with a ten magnet Tong wheel.
One would scrap the Bedini circuitry and wire in the tuning switches
for the drive/recovery coils for a 4-6 10 magnet Tong machine
or some such. He isn't extracting ZPE. There are four different
OU processes going on in the Bedini machine. I think the above
Tong conversion would work because of the increased mechanical
efficiency of the Bedini designed hardware. Maybe Bedini could
try it for you.

Charging a battery bank is not a very good or economical
demonstration of overunity energy production. You both
need to create a self runner with minimal onboard battery
storage, with adequate capacitors so that the input and
output voltmeters don't bounce around so much, too bad
if that seems so difficult.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[ltseung888]

In the Tong Wheel, how do you choose the magnet and coil pair?  How do you estimate its theoretical Input and Output?

We used the Dr. Raymond Ting test.  The magnet was placed inside a vertical tube wounded on the outside with the coil.  The number of turns and the gauge of the wire would be the same as those used on the wheel.  The same voltage (12V) was used.  We then measured the height reached.

Our samples used on the first Tong Wheel was calculated as follows:
(1)   Mass of Magnet = 200 gms or 0.2 kg
(2)   The height reached = 1 meter
(3)   The potential energy gained by the magnet is thus = mgh = 0.2x9.8x1 = 1.96Newton-Meter or 1.96 joules. This value is the experimental best for a magnet and coil pair interaction
(4)   The resistance of the Coil was 5 Ohms.  The wire was 0.5mm gauge and about 600 turns of 2 cm diameter.
(5)   The Energy supplied by the current = I*V*t= I *I*R*t = V*V*t/R where t = time of Pulse, V = voltage, I = current, R = resistance

From the above, the best theoretical pulse energy supplied per coil and magnet interaction = 1.96 joules.  We have 10 drive coils.  The total best theoretical energy supplied per Tong Wheel Pulse = 1.96 x10 = 19.6 joules.  The rotational rate of the Tong Wheel was 300 rpm maximum or 5 cycles per second.  Thus the best theoretical energy supplied per second = 19.6 x 5 = 98 joules per second or 98 watts.

From the Lead-Out Energy Theory, if the supplied horizontal energy to a pendulum is 100 units, the lead-out vertical gravitational energy can be approximately 50 units.  If the pulse force were always tangential, the lead-out vertical gravitational energy can be approximately 67 units.  In the case of the magnetic field, the leading-out of magnetic energy can be in multiple directions.  This means that a rotating magnet will lead-out energy NOT just from the vertical field but more or less continuously.  So long as the rotation of the Tong Wheel is not constant (accelerate and decelerate because of extraction of energy due to friction and external load), each magnet would lead-out magnetic or electron motion energy.  The exact improvement in performance has not been calculated at this point.  (See note 1.)  Let us use the extremely conservative figure of 50%.  This means that the lead-out energy per second = 50% * 98 watts or 49 watts.

The total effective Input energy per second = supplied energy + lead-Out energy = 98 +49=147 watts.
If there were no loss, the maximum output energy from the Tong Wheel can be 147 watts.  We are only getting 2-3 watts measured output on the meter.  There is much improvement that can be done.


Note 1:  From experimental measurements on the Tong Wheel, the best COP (output/input power) was 4.2.  Much of the energy such as friction, noise and air resistance losses was not captured by the Collector Coils at the Output.  It is believed that the improvement due to the multi-directional, fluctuating and non-uniform magnetic field could be much more than 50% - could even be over 500% (as COP = 4.2 were observed).  If we use the figure of 500%, the Tong Wheel should be able to produce 98*500% = 490 watts.)

Note 2: The best jumping magnet and coil pair we tried hit the ceiling of the Industrial building.  That could be close to 3 meters.  The goal of the Tong Wheel was to demonstrate overunity.  We did not select the best jumping configuration.  The better height was achieved easily with 24 V (two batteries in series.)

Note 3: The 225 HP Pulse motor has a diameter of 1 meter.  It has four 24 V batteries.  There were 9 slices or 9 discs.  The Tong Wheel used only one slice and only 1 magnetic pole was used.  With two or more slices put adjacent to each other, there may be the additional flywheel effect and the possibility of using both poles.

Note 4: When we understand the above more, we can produce a spreadsheet to play with the various assumptions.  But from the preliminary calculations, producing a 300 watt output unit now and a 5KW unit later is theoretically possible.

Note 5: Due to the rectangular magnet design used in the present Tong Wheel, we could not do the Dr. Ting test.  We shall reconsider the use of circular magnets as the 225 HP Pulse Motor also used them.  In addition, once we achieved loopback (part of the Output feedback to Input), the concept of COP will become meaningless.  On steady operation, there is no need for external Input Power.  COP will then be infinity.  The more meaningful measurement will be â€" the actual Output Power delivered.  That is expected to be load-dependent.


Note 6: We can assume the Input 12V battery on the 5 ohm resistor to be 0.1 seconds.  The energy was then V*V*0.1/5 = 12*12*0.1/5 = 2.88 watt-seconds or 2.88 joules.  This is comparable to the jumping height calculation of 1.96 joules.  Not all the electrical energy could be converted to jumping height potential energy as some will be converted into heat.

Note 7: If we assume the Tong Wheel can generate 490 watts, we can multiply that by 8 if we increase the voltage from 12 V to 96V.  If we use stronger magnets (say 600 gms that can jump 2 meters), we can increase that by a factor of 3*2.  That means the Output power can be  490*8*3*2  =23,520 watts.    This is more than the 25 HP estimated from one slice of the 225 HP Pulse Motor. (25*746 = 18,650 watts).   This implies that we may be able to use market available magnet and coil pair configurations to produce the 225 HP Pulse Motor!

*** The 300 watt output prototype we plan to build for the Shenzhen Inventor Show will use thick wires and up to four 24 Volt batteries.  The goal is no long to demonstrate Ouput Power greater than Input Power.  That has been demonstrated in the existing 60 ccm diameter Tong Wheel.  The new goal is to increase Output significantly. 

[Top Gun]

Dear Mr. Tseung:

Your explanation of the Bedini 10 Coil operation is much easier to understand and accept than the explanation from the Bedini Website.  It also brought out one important point previously not emphasized.

Magnetic or electron motion energy can be lead-out via pulsing a non-constant rotating wheel.

This fact can explain the workings of the Newman, Bedini, Adams and other pulse motors.  It also pointed to the importance of a larger wheel.  I am thinking in terms of extracting energy from the axle.  The speed of rotation and the actual torque will be important.  If the wheel has a larger diameter, the torque (tangential force time the radius) from the Pulsing can be very high.  If additional gravitational or electron motion energy can be lead-out, the wheel will turn faster.

The additional advantage is that there will be time for the lead-out energy process to complete.  The Pulse Force will have enough time to finish the acceleration (or impart the whole amount of energy) to the wheel.

This means that a wheel with larger diameter is preferred.  The criteria of the present 60 cm Tong Wheel was that it should be able to fit into the trunk of the average taxi in Hong Kong.  That may be good criteria for demonstration equipment.  For best efficiency, please consider a larger wheel.  A lorry can be used for transport. 

[ltseung888]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk

We have now examined the Yu Oscillator in greater detail.  Here is my conversation with Mr. Cheung at the Hong Kong Invention Association.

Mr. Cheung: “Have you seen the Yu video.  It looks like he is also Chinese.  He is using a pendulum.  You claimed that gravitational energy can be lead-out via a pulled pendulum.  Does his device follow the Lead-Out Energy theory?”

Tseung: “When  the Lee-Tseung lead-out energy theory is applied to a pendulum, so long as there is tension in the string, gravitational energy can be lead-out.  The Yu Oscillator has no string.  However, it is the equivalent of an unbalanced wheel.  In our presentation slides, we already explained that the unbalanced wheel is equivalent to a pendulum.”

Mr. Cheung: “Can you explain it again using the Yu Oscillator as example?”

Tseung: “Let us take an unbalanced wheel with additional weight on the bottom.   If we pull the weight in the clockwise direction, when we let go, the weight will swing back in the anti-clockwise direction.  The behavior is exactly like that of a pendulum.  In our calculation of applying a horizontal pull to a pendulum, the lead-out gravitational energy is approximately 50% of the supplied horizontal energy.”

Mr. Cheung: “Are you claiming that gravitational energy is lead-out by the Yu Oscillator?”

Tseung: “Yes.  However, the supplied energy in the Yu Oscillator is not from a Pulse Coil.  It is from the Howard Johnson type actuator.”

Mr. Cheung: “Can stationary permanent magnets impart energy?”

Tseung: “There is a magnet at the tip of the moving rod.  This magnet can gain kinetic energy and move faster in a suitably configured magnetic  field.”

Mr.  Cheung: “Are you claiming that there are two mechanisms at work here.  One is the lead-out gravitational energy.  One is the lead-out magnetic energy from the actuator?”

Tseung: “That is my best understanding so far.”