The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory

[Pirate88179]

Lawrence:

You should be using supercaps instead of batteries.  They charge up faster and convert more of the back emf spikes to real power and are way longer lasting than batteries.  These have millions of charge/discharge cycles.

Bill

[mscoffman]

Lawrence:
Thanks for showing your progress.
I have a few questions on your feedback:

1) to fully verify input power and output power from the oscilloscoop pictures we need to be able to know the actual time and amplitude scale of the measurements. Is it possible to provide those?
2) Looking to the output wave shapes: The rectified voltage wave shape is what I would expect.
What was the actual load that was applied during the measuements? A light bulb? In that case I would expect the output voltage wave shape to be simular to the wave shape of the output current wave shape. Can you explain why there is a difference in output wave shapes?

I agree with this...electrical energy is a combination of the voltage waveform
the current waveform in a circuit and the phase (timing) between the two signals.

You don't want to measure power (instantaneous energy) based in pulsed
signal waveforms...All those utility power factor calculations apply to
pulse signals. What you want to do is use a capacitor or even an L/C filter
to create an average pulse free power signal and make your measurements
there on the input to that circuit. This will either change your units behavior,
or it won't (it won't). Using low ESR electrolytic capacitors and low impedance
inductors to create and average pulse free DC power signals and is where you want
to do measurements. That is when you can multiply DC voltage times DC current
and get DC watts continuous power and ignore vector math and Fourier
signal decomposition.

This will also decouple power supply dynamic behavior from motor load dynamic
behavior, to create a stable run situation.

Don't do this and you could very well make major errors in overunity
calculations...Why risk it?

:S:MarkSCoffman

[teslaalset]

We were focusing on the general shape of the wave form.  The readings were taken with no external load.  The expensive oscilloscopes have inputs to the computer containing programs to do various analysis.  We had some problems in setting that up.  Thus we use the meters shown instead. We shall display the scope results and analysis at a later date.

In addition, we used clips and wires to make connections.  That had significant resistance.  If you note the Output current reading carefully, you would find that the hertz value displayed was half that of all other meter readings.  With no external load, we should read 0 amps.  But we got a very high amp reading. Thus that particular reading should not be trusted as some type of leakage effect could be taking place. We shall do the tidying up before doing and providing the final figures. 

The good news is that we could recharge the rundown 6V batteries with the present setup.  The bad news was that we could not recharge the rundown 12V batteries.  We are investigating why.

Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited

Good to hear your own views on your first attempt.
Some of the data gives at least some useful information.
So, what you are saying is, the load was basically a battery that was recharged.
A battery likely gives some strange current wave shapes indeed in this case. No reasoning for the different frequency though. So, something must be wrong indeed.
I would expect two current peaks that would occur at the timing of the top of each sinus half of the output voltage (so, a double peak when a magnet passes a receiving coil and therefore double the amount of Hz instead of half the amount of Hz), under the condition that the peak voltage is higher than the battery voltage.

Well, at least it was good practice. Looking forward to your next steps in measuring the input and output.

[Cap-Z-ro]

" I heard Mrs. Clause was frigid "

*emits audible groan*

Could it be because Santa only 'comes' once a year ?

Regards...

[Pirate88179]

Cap:

Now THAT was funny.....

Bill