Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar panels

[Humbugger]

A few things strike me as odd in watching this video.  First, the rate at which this 1650 pound armature assembly accellerates from a dead stop is just incredible (read non-believable) based on the assertion that its only start-up power source is a few little nine volt batteries.  If it started up real slowly, I'd still have trouble believing it but this giant mass just overcomes its inertia way too fast for me to swallow.

Second, he mentions how he demonstrated his earlier versions way back in 1986 in Washington DC.  That's 21 years ago.  It's unfathomable that he's still in essentially the same position with it.  Still doing demonstrations in a barn, still looking for investors, still promoting like crazy.  Seems like after this much time gone by there would have been more progress toward commercial use and manufacture.  Joseph must be among the record-holders for keeping people interested without ever delivering a commercial product. 

Lastly, I thought the thread title said self-running with no batteries.  That's the promise for the near future setup, I gather.  Seems like an endless delaying game.  But, hey, he seems to be getting closer every few years so maybe this will be the big one coming up!  Self-Running!  That would be something, all right!  Then I guess the production of free excess energy will be next year, maybe.

Humbugger 

[mikestocks2006]

Couple points of interest, observations,
From the video he has 16  9 volt alkanines in series appears  around time 9.20-9.40
That is about 144 volts

From data sheet product #522 ? Product Group Energizer Alkaline
http://data.energizer.com/SearchResult.aspx

Energy capacity per 9 volt cell is 625 mAh for a total of 10000 mAh (miliamphours) or 10 Ah (amphours) at light drain.

Does anyone know if rechargeable batteries were ever used (NiCad NiMh or LiIon can take a lot of charging cycles) and some of the back spike was used to keep them charged.? and the system self sustain?
Also it appears to be slowing down at about 1 revolution loss for every 15 mins, with no load other than bearing friction air friction and possible emf losses if any.

Also it took about 58 seconds to coast down to a stop from about 30 rpm. It indicates pretty good bearings, low friction etc

It would be interesting to have the voltage readings of these 9v cells at the end of the demo.

The start up acceleration to initial steady state is remarkable.

Interesting stuff.
Thanks

[argona369]

It would seem to be totally manageable to have a bicycle
rim generator or any other DC permanent magnet motor/generator
tagged onto the rim of that large rotating wheel.
briefly energized with those 9volt batteries to get it going??

[Humbugger]

Couple points of interest, observations,
From the video he has 16  9 volt alkanines in series appears  around time 9.20-9.40
That is about 144 volts

From data sheet product #522 ? Product Group Energizer Alkaline
http://data.energizer.com/SearchResult.aspx

Energy capacity per 9 volt cell is 625 mAh for a total of 10000 mAh (miliamphours) or 10 Ah (amphours) at light drain.

Does anyone know if rechargeable batteries were ever used (NiCad NiMh or LiIon can take a lot of charging cycles) and some of the back spike was used to keep them charged.? and the system self sustain?
Also it appears to be slowing down at about 1 revolution loss for every 15 mins, with no load other than bearing friction air friction and possible emf losses if any.

Also it took about 58 seconds to coast down to a stop from about 30 rpm. It indicates pretty good bearings, low friction etc

It would be interesting to have the voltage readings of these 9v cells at the end of the demo.

The start up acceleration to initial steady state is remarkable.

Interesting stuff.
Thanks

Hi Mike!

The ampere hour capacity is not multiplied when the batteries are in series.  It's still 625mah total, not 10ah.  Gotcha on that one!   Reason?  Same identical current in every battery and same as flowing in the external circuit.  If 1/16 of total external current flowed in each battery, then you can multiply, but that would be a parallel hookup.

If we got to multiply the voltage and the current, we'd have to be able to do the same for paralleling.  And we'd get to square the power every time we doubled the number of batteries!  Instant OU!  It's Kirchoff's Law or some such thing like that.

Humbugger

[mikestocks2006]

Couple points of interest, observations,
From the video he has 16  9 volt alkanines in series appears  around time 9.20-9.40
That is about 144 volts

From data sheet product #522 ? Product Group Energizer Alkaline
http://data.energizer.com/SearchResult.aspx

Energy capacity per 9 volt cell is 625 mAh for a total of 10000 mAh (miliamphours) or 10 Ah (amphours) at light drain.

Does anyone know if rechargeable batteries were ever used (NiCad NiMh or LiIon can take a lot of charging cycles) and some of the back spike was used to keep them charged.? and the system self sustain?
Also it appears to be slowing down at about 1 revolution loss for every 15 mins, with no load other than bearing friction air friction and possible emf losses if any.

Also it took about 58 seconds to coast down to a stop from about 30 rpm. It indicates pretty good bearings, low friction etc

It would be interesting to have the voltage readings of these 9v cells at the end of the demo.

The start up acceleration to initial steady state is remarkable.

Interesting stuff.
Thanks

Hi Mike!

The ampere hour capacity is not multiplied when the batteries are in series.  It's still 625mah total, not 10ah.  Gotcha on that one!

Humbugger

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You may draw the same current as one but the starting voltage is 144 volts...