The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...

[ramset]

ZL
a more interesting topic would be hard to imagine ? [seeing as how we are here and this is what we like to do here ]

how to touch the antenna array and not stifle the effect ?..perhaps the ground will help under proper conditions ?
or just a well engineered system ?

Have you any simple experiments ?

thanks for the reboot on this topic !!

I did spread it around a bit
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20410-reboot-free-energy-wave-fields-working-principal.html

Chet K

[ZL]

Forest,

If you write a comment in telegram style, then you deserve a response in kind.   
Anyway, here is my opinion:

The paper of Janos has proved that it is possible to generate free energy in wave fields where the excess energy comes from wave interference in free space and not from induction. If you have read his paper (or my simplified explanation), then I don't understand why do you ignore this fact, and say that you barely see any other option for generating free energy, than via induction and resonance. Remember that even though the reception of EM waves in antennas involves the principle of induction, it is only a secondary phenomena. The excess energy is not generated by induction, but by wave superposition in free space.

You also imply that resonance is the ultimate key phenomena that generates free energy, and interference is only of secondary importance that automatically must be part of all resonant systems. This is an inappropriate oversimplification.

If the source of excess energy in a resonant system is wave interference, then the resonance is of secondary importance, it serves only to make the interference possible. But resonance in itself generates no excess energy if the amplification of power in the process of interference is not present, and certain obstacles are not eliminated.

If on the other hand by "induction" you refer to ferromagnetic devices where the FE principle is not based on wave superposition but rather on nonlinear effects, then of course wave interference is not even part of the resonance game you refer to.

If by "induction" you refer to simple magnetic induction without the presence of magnetic materials, then you will surely not get any free energy, because that is a linear reciprocal process which by definition prevents FE generation.

You see, a one line generalization leads to confusion, because your audience has to guess exactly what are you trying to claim.
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OK I have just read your second post, so here is some more input about the subject of resonance in FE subjects. Resonance is an over-hyped slogan among FE researchers, when they imply that the phenomena of resonance itself generates excess energy. This is far from the truth. If it would be true, then all resonant systems would produce excess energy, and there would be no need for any research, expertise, or inventive talent. You could just build a resonant cavity, feed it with resonant frequencies, and there you go, you could extract as much free energy as you want. The fact that this is not so supposed to reveal, that the key principle that multiplies the energy is not a simple resonance in itself, but something else.

There is one exception to this insight and that is when the FE principle is based on the destruction of substances into their components. What does a simple resonant system do? It accumulates energy in oscillations. This does not mean that it creates excess energy in that process, because you will have to input the same amount of energy that it contains. However, if you increase the amplitude of the oscillations of the molecules of a substance like water, it may be possible to break it up into its components with less energy than it would produce when recombined. So resonant systems in their simple forms are only energy accumulators which are great at breaking things up, and destroying material, but they are not FE generators in themselves. If you gain more heat energy by burning H2 and O that you produced by breaking up water in resonant cavities, then the FE principle of the device is the artificial breaking of reciprocal action-reaction process, where molecular processes are involved.

A standing wave in a simple resonator will not generate excess energy as long as the reciprocal action-reaction interaction is not broken in some cleaver way. This is so, because as the amplitude within the resonator increases, the amplitude of the input signal will also have to increase in order to be able to feed more energy into it. Therefore the input power will also have to increase in such a way, that there is no net energy gain.

Please note, that above I refereed to simple resonators or resonant systems that are used in everyday practice (they produce no excess energy). But this does not mean, that it is not possible to make special resonators that break reciprocal interaction between the input and the energy within the system (and/or output), which could enable the principle of wave interference to produce excess energy. But again, even in these special resonators, the free energy generating principle is not the resonance itself, but the wave interference combined with the trick that breaks the symmetry.

The same could be reached using induction with proper ampere-turns, the same problems. While those probles seems unsuperable it is only a technical problem, many solutions were found and patented in the past.

Well, this again sounds as if you would have already tested this and found to be true.  Meaning, you already have built your own FE generator because you have solved this minor "technical problem" either on your own, or taken from one of your mentioned patents. If this is indeed true, then I am all ears and eyes to see your FE principle either proven mathematically, or working in practice.

[ZL]

ramset,

Thanks for spreading the word. Actually by doing this you do a much greater favor to the people, than to me or Janos.

how to touch the antenna array and not stifle the effect ?..perhaps the ground will help under proper conditions ?
or just a well engineered system ?

This was the first thing I have suggested to Janos when he started to explain his discovery, namely "why don't we just create standing waves in a wave guide, let the amplitude increase, and extract the excess energy". Then he had a big smile and explained that we can not extract excess energy from standing waves in such a simple device. It is much more tricky than one could imagine at first sight. This is the reason why his invention was not based on tapping standing waves in simple wave guides (or resonators), but rather on the radiation and collection of propagating waves into/from free space using two (or more) antennas.

I do have a measurement plan designed by Janos. If you are interested I can upload it to my new website.

thanks for the reboot on this topic !!

you're welcome.

[forest]

ramset,

Thanks for spreading the word. Actually by doing this you do a much greater favor to the people, than to me or Janos.

This was the first thing I have suggested to Janos when he started to explain his discovery, namely "why don't we just create standing waves in a wave guide, let the amplitude increase, and extract the excess energy". Then he had a big smile and explained that we can not extract excess energy from standing waves in such a simple device. It is much more tricky than one could imagine at first sight. This is the reason why his invention was not based on tapping standing waves in simple wave guides (or resonators), but rather on the radiation and collection of propagating waves into/from free space using two (or more) antennas.

I do have a measurement plan designed by Janos. If you are interested I can upload it to my new website.

you're welcome.

I don't understand your opposition to my statement about resonance. It's prefectly clear that Janos used the resonance with antenna proper construction exactly as I said. The excess of energy is never the interference of fields, it's the excess of magnetic field generated by whatever reason which by induction is converted to electric power - is the source. The only problem is the re-action of this field - so called Lenz law. But if you make a field outside of the generator so it cannot change the parameters of generating part then you have a source of free energy...The same did Tesla with his magnifying transmitter and receivers....
You can have that in space or you can have that in properly constructed apparatus...
I have no experience to build it, that would require a lot of genious without costly tools, especially in higher frequencies.

[centraflow]

ZL


I found your post 36 most refreshing unlike most posts in these forums.


What you put into that post I agree nearly 100%.


I don't post much here, but this topic is of interest for me and of my past. I agree that the term resonance has been used totally out of context, here I have posted a spectrum of a circuit which I still play with from time to time. This is the result of two frequencies ( not frequency mixing ), like you have said, you can take two frequencies in free space and they will react totally different to a frequency "mixer".


Many years ago I used two frequencies injected into water mist to break the bonds in water, that got me into a lot of trouble and guess what, I found it out by accident. Yes I know what you mean by resonance is not the road to FE.


Now look at the SA picture, look at the amplitude and the result of two frequencies hitting one another. The input was only one frequency, this was then used to create a second frequency, which was then put head on with the original, it is nearly all passive and can be all passive components, this one was all passive.


Won't be posting here again, just thought that your post was most refreshing.


Regards


Mike