need help with wikipedia 11 September liars

[gaby de wilde]

*edit for clarity*

Here is the talk page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:September_11%2C_2001_attacks

I would like to see the evidence that conflicts with the government story on the page.

My suggestion to was not welcome by understatement. I have been banned 3 times for suggesting  references. I had never edited a page jet I just made a suggestion on the talk page.

I was then accused of "soap boxing" while my post was decapitated into a meaningless heap of words with my name under it. Not one of the numerous insults at my address had anything to do with that what I suggested. So I then tried to remove the meaningless words with my own name under them in order to retract my posting. There was no point in arguing with people who create postings under my name. The meaningless chunk of words was then put back on the page and I was banned for soap boxing within the same 30 seconds by the same person.

It's very interesting to complain about some-ones contribution so that he tries to retract it then change his words to your likeings and ban him over this? All I said was that this are valid referrences, then assult me with 15 vs 1 ?? Lets just say I'm an idiot and crazy and a soap boxing person etc etc who cares? ... now what about there referrences?

==no Osama means no Muslims==

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
''Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#_note-56
the FBI says: ''The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden?s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11'' thus the word Muslim may only be quoted at best.

==secondary account ==

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=403757&in_page_id=1770
''Around 75 top professors and leading scientists believe the attacks were puppeteered by war mongers in the White House to justify the invasion and the occupation of oil-rich Arab countries.''

http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/worldwide/story/0,,1864657,00.html
''We don't believe that 19 hijackers and a few others in a cave in Afghanistan pulled this off acting alone," says Jones. "We challenge this official conspiracy theory and, '''by God''', we're going to get to the bottom of this.''

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304,00.html
''Why the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Won't Go Away''

For this suggestion I was banned! Can you imagine that? So, please help me take back wikipedia before Bush starts recruiting soldiers for his war against Iran. I think it's important enough for you to help me. But maybe you just want to see the fascists editing wikipedia with your own 2 eyes. Just don't forget to call them liars. We don't want their war here. We already allowed them to put half a million Iraqi woman and children in bags. We have to take some responsibility? Help fight those disgusting liars. Our american friends think they are at war with the Muslim communty, wikipedia is the propaganda bottleneck. This is where you can destroy their warmongering effort.

you have my thanks in advance and my best wishes of luck. 

I add an image for referrence, this person clearly says it's not my job but yours. Your opinion is worth so much more to Mr email. Where he says Americans have to accept being lied to he is lieing are you accepting it?

bush hid the evidence, those are the official publications.

Now remember, this topic is not about what happend that day. It's about the have and have not's of official evidence on the page.

Don't make to much effort of it, then they wont stalk you.

[shruggedatlas]

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304,00.html
''Why the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Won't Go Away''

I think the Time magazine article you cited has a pretty good rundown on why the conspiracy theories regarding 9/11 are dismissed by the mainstream:

"But there's a big problem with Loose Change and with most other conspiracy theories. The more you think about them, the more you realize how much they depend on circumstantial evidence, facts without analysis or documentation, quotes taken out of context and the scattered testimony of traumatized eyewitnesses. (For what it's worth, the National Institute of Standards and Technology has published a fact sheet responding to some of the conspiracy theorists' ideas on its website, www.nist.gov.) The theories prompt small, reasonable questions that demand answers that are just too large and unreasonable to swallow. Granted, the Pentagon crash site looks odd in photographs. But if the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile, then what happened to American Airlines Flight 77? Where did all the real, documented people on it go? Assassinated? Relocated? What about eyewitnesses who saw a plane, not a missile? And what are the chances that an operation of such size--it would surely have involved hundreds of military and civilian personnel--could be carried out without a single leak? Without leaving behind a single piece of evidence hard enough to stand up to scrutiny in a court? People, the feds just aren't that slick. Nobody is."

Really, more than for any other reason, the lack of leaks is what drives it home for me.  There is no way that this whole thing could have happened and not a single person leaked the slightest detail about the plot.  I mean we are not just talking about CIA agents used to keeping secrets.  This would have to involve lots of lower level people.

Also, think about the risk that the government would have to take before undertaking such a plot.  If nothing else, you must admit that politicians always seek to protect their own asses.  Do you really think anyone would risk being implicated in this horrendous crime, and for what?  Money for the oil companies?  No lobbyist could convince a single politician to undertake this crazy venture, no matter how much money is involved.

The 9/11 conspiracy theories are not at all supportable, and therefore have no place in the Wikipedia under the main 9/11 entry.  There is already a separate topic for them at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy

and that is where they belong.

[gaby de wilde]

Really, more than for any other reason, the lack of leaks is what drives it home for me.  There is no way that this whole thing could have happened and not a single person leaked the slightest detail about the plot.  I mean we are not just talking about CIA agents used to keeping secrets.  This would have to involve lots of lower level people.

Oh, but just like perpetual motion, you would have to look before you can say what evidence there is or isn't available. You say there are no leaks, but the story is one big leak. There is no good official explanation for the air force standing down? The thing is all the news media is corrupt, we only have wikipedia left. People expect the wiki to tell them the truth but in reality the wiki is even worse as fox news.

But hey? If there is no Osama there are no muslim extreamists?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13664.htm
'''''On June 5, 2006''', the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden?s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden?s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, ?The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden?s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.?''

They can only ban me when I suggest FBI sources. They did that 3 times already.
what about victims of the pre collapse explosions in the basement who worked there for many years? Here is one still in the hospital bed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSGZYP--wz0

A youtube video of ABC new like this is not good enough for wikipedia. Meanwhile they use the overdebunked TV testimonial of Osama that was translated by 8 government officials and had no official source. This is the reason for America to attack Muslims where ever they live. Even US Muslims get discriminated over this LIE.

You claim there was no leak but William Rodr?guez RICO actually filled a lawsuit

''In October 2004, William Rodr?guez|Rodr?guez filed a civil RICO lawsuit directed against George W. Bush]], Richard B. Cheney, Donald H. Rumsfeld and others, including a total of 100 defendants, together with Ellen Mariani and lawyer Phil Berg. The government filed a motion to dismiss, or at least transfer, the case on grounds of national security.'' is worthy of it's own paragraph.

You see? They just rejected the case which obviously is not legal.

Furhter more Larry Silverstein earned 4 000 000 000 PER BUILDING in insurance!! He rented it at the beginning of the month.

All the gold and silver stored in the basements (also hundreds of millions but no one knows how much exactly) was shipped out of the building the same morning.

That should be evidence enough for you.

Then the German reverse engineering of the salvaged harddisks showed the banks where also robbed electronically 1 min before controlled demolition.

The buildings spontaneously changed into dust.

And if you cant see an explosion in that, then what about the satellite images showing the 5000 Megawatt afterglow from the Termite emissions?

I don't want a world war, you may think it's all unimportant how much hate Bush can create, I know it's mandatory for his world war to work out. Not before the whole world hates America can Bush start his global war agenda.

Similarities between the Reichstag fire and The September 11 Attacks are as striking as those between the Reichstag Fire Decree and the Patriot act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire

please go read what the fascists have to say on the wiki.

Every reasonable argument gets deleted.

here you can see at the left what I wrote and at the right what was left after Arthur Rubin deleted everything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:September_11%2C_2001_attacks&diff=155962381&oldid=155960688

Am I wasting my time on you or are you going to do something?

Everything I wrote was deleted, there need to be more people writing down the truth here! What am I the only one who likes to hear the truth? You all like to be lied to or something?

[TheOne]

create a new topic on wiki with "September 11, 2001 true story" instead of trying to change an existing one

[shruggedatlas]

Everything I wrote was deleted, there need to be more people writing down the truth here! What am I the only one who likes to hear the truth? You all like to be lied to or something?

Sir, I think you need the extra heavy duty tinfoil, because the regular stuff is clearly not working for you.