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White powder Gold

Started by innovation_station, September 06, 2007, 11:17:36 PM

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krypt013

**** Could it be so simple, just add ORMES to the water? ****



ORMES the Secret WATER FUEL CELL ingredient:
By: Jeremy William VanHaitsma


Dear Researchers,



I believe that I could have some valuable information related to your
current research into successfully replicating the late Stanley
Meyer's Water Fuel Cell technology. I have been researching many over
unity systems and devices over the past several years and have taken
particular interest in the Water Fuel Cell technology... I have
researched into the replications of the WFC as done by Dave Lawton in
D14.PDF and the work of Ravi Raju. Also, I have been following the
work of various organizations devoted to the freeing/dissemination of
these types of technologies such as PANACEA-BOCAF and the ORION
PROJECT. I feel that Dave Lawton was able to get alot of valuable
ground work done for the WFC replication process and that Ravi Raju
was able to make some major contributions to the work of Mr. Lawton
with his modified voltage intensifier circuitry, longer and more
numerous tubes, and his signature 'conditioning' process for the tubes
which has shown to be invaluable in increasing the efficiency of the
WFC in both lowering current draw and increasing it's hydroxy gas
output. I recently read some documents that stated that during the
80's of Stan Meyer's heyday that he had met with a couple of other
inventors that were also researching into technologies related to free
energy whom may have offered some ideas and inspiration to Mr. Meyers
which may have had some influence upon his devices and processes. One
being John Bedini who as you may be familiar with had developed
motors/generators capable of tapping into and harnessing so called
radiant energy. The other inventor being David Hudson. David Hudson
is an Arizona farmer who discovered a new form of matter that he named
ORMES (Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements) namely from the
platinum group metals that occur in nature in monatomic and diatomic
micro clusters. The ORMES material has been found through the
research of him and others to be present in certain soils, sea salt,
water and other sources in nature. I don't want to go into the whole
story about how he discovered it but if you Google ORMES, ORMUS,
MONATOMIC GOLD, DAVID HUDSON, or visit www.subtlenergies.com you will
get the basic jest of it. Anyway, this ORMES material appears as a
white powder in a dry purified state and it's superconductive. It's
surrounded by a meisner field like other superconductors; it has
anti-gravity properties to it. It can be turned into a glass if it's
heated to a rather his temperature. It has the tendency to phase in
and out of our dimension, now please bear with me here. It has been
called strange matter, white powder gold, the Philosopher's Stone,
MFKZT by the Egyptians, manna in the bible, etc.... Glacial water
deposits tend to have rather high concentrations of it although it can
also be found in ordinary tap water. Which brings me to this material
David Hudson discovered and it's implications with the Water Fuel
Cell... This material has been shown to have other strange properties
as observed by David Hudson such as when he left a wet sample of the
material out in the sun to dry it disappeared in a brilliant flash of
white light scorching the material it was on, but with no explosion...
It simply turned into pure energy which released as bright light and
gamma rays. The meissner field that constantly surrounds the
monatomic atoms of gold, iridium, rhodium, etc. that make up the ORMES
is said to emanate from the zero point energy field coming out from
within the atoms and that the material is superconductive, but only if
you resonate with it with the correct input signal. In fact, if you
put a volt meter up to a sample of ORMES it will measure zero
conductivity. So what I'm thinking is that if this material just so
happens to be in tuned with the zero point energy field, and some of
the various devices that produce energy like the Bedini motors and the
Meyer's WFC are said to derive their function from the zero point
energy field that that is an inherent commonality that links these
three things together. They all have the zero point energy fields in
common that is. Now, remember I stated that in my research I read of
one of the other researchers stating that the ORMES material was a
superconductor but only if you 'resonate' with it? What do the Bedini
motor and the WFC have in common? If you look at the signals of each
device on side by side oscilloscopes you will notice that the stepped
pulse train waveforms are very similar in nature, and this stepped
pulse train is a unique type of signal that has the ability to coax
the energy to bubble up and out of the zero point energy field and
into the device to be received as output, whether that be strait
electricity as in the Bedini motor or through the production of
Brown's gas as with the Meyer's cell, and it's replications. Now,
after doing some more intense research regarding all the strange
properties of this ORMES/White powder gold material, and all the weird
stuff it does. Like phasing in and out of this plane of existence,
floating, displaying anti-gravity properties, disappearing into a
bright flash of light after being left in the sun, making plants grow
super fast, taller, with higher nutritional yields, curing cancer,
LOL, etc. etc. etc. it's almost like this ORMES material was the zero
point energy in the flesh so to speak... A small subculture of open
source researchers has sprung up around the ORMES technology on the
internet and people have discovered some pretty ingenuitive ways of
getting this material... Some companies synthesize it directly from
the metals themselves like ZPtech.net for instance, whom you can
purchase vials of the material, others have figured out ways to
extract it from salts from the Dead Sea, Great Salt Lake, and Celtic
sea salt. And others have also figured out how to extract it from
water using a contraption known in that community as a magnetic vortex
water trap. This device hooks up to your water source and spins the
water around in a vortex which is created in a container surrounded by
magnets, and since the ormes material is a superconductor and hence
paramagnetic it is pushed to the center of the vortex and the normal
water to the outside. Then this 'magnetic vortex trap water' is then
collected by a tube coming off the top center of the device and has
shown to have a concentration many 1000's the normal concentration of
ORMES as per the water sample. So what does ORMES have to do with the
WFC you may ask? The conditioning process developed by Ravi Raju that
takes so darn long to complete, constantly changing the water,
eventually resulting in the buildup of this white powdery coating onto
the outside of the tubes, which done improperly can flake off, etc.
...Wow, white powdery coating, ormes is a white powdery substance that
can form a coating. Ormes is present in water, but does not show up
on any normal types of chemical analysis. In fact it took David
Hudson years to finally try out this Russian method of chemical
analysis of burning the material in an electric arc inside of an argon
gas atmosphere for an extended time before he was able to discover the
presence of these platinum group metals. So, despite the fact that
other types of materials might have shown up and been thought
responsible in the white coating that forms while conditioning the
cells, such as calcium oxide, etc, unless the WFC researcher were to
use the very unique analysis techniques used by David Hudson than they
wouldn't even be aware of the presence of this ORMES material in the
sample. But let's just say that ORMES was in this white powdery
coating on the surface of the tubes, and that this played a part in
the water fracturing process. Lets assume that perhaps the more
refined stepped pulse train signals that oh so resonate with the zero
point energy field as made possible through the more refined voltage
intensifier circuitry like that done by Ravi Raju and his use of
inductor coils was working hand in hand with the ormes concentrated
material collected on the tubes from the water as per the conditioning
process, and that the signal was making the little itty bitty ORMES
micro cluster do a mad dance and strike into the black gold of zero
point energy!!! ORMES could be what's rolling out the red carpet for
zero point energy to join the party and the stepped pulse train is the
music that it's dancing to. But unfortunately I'm just a modest guy
currently working for a low wage that cannot afford to purchase a
pre-built WFC from the sources mentioned on the Panacea-Bocaf website
or even build a Dave Lawton or Ravi Raju WFC replication to test this
theory, which I strongly believe should be tested because it very well
could be the secret ingredient. But what I would do if I had a WFC
laying around like Mr. Lawton or Mr. Raju is I would test the
efficiency and outputs of the system before conditioning by adding
ORMES to the water. In magnetic vortex trap water form, in the sea
salt extraction form, and also in the synthetic form compliments of
http://www.zptech.net . Maybe if you put a spoonful of ormes into the water you
won't even need to condition the darn thing and you'll get Over unity
right off the bat!!! Just maybe anyway, and with its potential
implications I think it's worth a shot... Here is a link for a
YouTube video that shows you how to make ORMES from sea salt in case
you're as broke as I am, no pun intended
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68jtnuMAa00 Have fun and happy research




Sincerely,
Jeremy William VanHaitsma

pix

Hi,
This is old story.
Many years ago I was quite active on the White Gold Web forum.I did put a lot of effort to prepare Sodium Burn method, I had make mu own white powder of gold.Description of this method I had put on th forum for everybody.The main reaction components are: 24 karat gold, Sodium metal,water,HCl-nothing else.The trick is to do reactions in a proper way,to stay away from impurities which could go into solution because Sodium metal is very reactive and could give unwanted reaction products when in contact with glass,metal or other process materials and vessels.Sodium must be fused  ONLY with gold metal without contacting anything else.
This is dangerous procedure.
Regards,
pix

Koen1

Quote from: pix on December 02, 2008, 03:43:55 AM
Hi,
This is old story.
Many years ago I was quite active on the White Gold Web forum.I did put a lot of effort to prepare Sodium Burn method, I had make mu own white powder of gold.Description of this method I had put on th forum for everybody.The main reaction components are: 24 karat gold, Sodium metal,water,HCl-nothing else.The trick is to do reactions in a proper way,to stay away from impurities which could go into solution because Sodium metal is very reactive and could give unwanted reaction products when in contact with glass,metal or other process materials and vessels.Sodium must be fused  ONLY with gold metal without contacting anything else.
This is dangerous procedure.
Regards,
pix

Hi pix,
interesting post about fusing sodium and gold...
Since it is not entirely clear what exactly you were saying, I decided to look up your Sodium Burn method
on that White Gold Web forum, but I must say that is one of the least user friendly fora I've ever seen.
I can't seem to find any clear overview of the topics, I can't seem to find a seach engine into which
I can type "sodium burn"...
I would like to learn more about your sodium burn method. On the one hand because I have been interested
in the monoatomic gold concept for some time, and on the other hand because I've read something on
"himalayan salt" long ago which described the traditional production method as "burning" the salt in
a bamboo container something like 9 times successively, before the "specially energised" salt could
be extracted, and some of the properties claimed seem to be similar to those of manna. ;)
Can you please give me more info on the sodium burn method, or direct me to the page on the
White Gold Web forum that describes this method?

Thanks! :)

pix

Hi,
SODIUM BURN
It is funny to bring it back :)
I think You don't find this anymore on the web.For some reason I don't know it disappeared.Anyway,it was a quite long ago.
For the moment I will take it from my memory.
Let me say this way: in this method gold and Sodium metal is burned together in the high flame-two metals.After burning you will obtain a yellowish,crispy substance-gold will fuse with Sodium.This substance is stil very reactive sice typically there will be still a lot of unreacted sodium metal.
And now is tricky thing:
How to do this in a way that during burn process Sodium reacts only with Gold?Burnig reaction is very violent and energetic and if sodium metal contact reaction vessel walls ( metal or any kind of high temp. zirconium pocelain)-it will react with this as well and give unwanted compounds.
Secondly- -after burn,how to react yellow crispy substance with water in a way you don't explode your lab ( a lot of H2 is produced and sparks and heat), and again in a way that during this wetting process and after- strong NaOH solution will not react with reaction vessel - strong NaOH reacts even with Pyrex glass or zirconium porcelain-and that woul give again unwanted compounds in yor solution.
Reaction must be clear- only Sodium and Gold-and then water,not any other reactants!!!
(For the moment I will not disclose how to do this violent reactions in a way preventing sodium/strong NaOH react with reaction vessel.)
And then of course bringing down pH  of solution ,very slowly!, to pH neutral-then you will get beautifull white colloid in your reaction vessel.
And then washing with water (use purest distillate as possible durig whole process) several times.
And then siphoning off most of the water.
Filtering off remains of water to separate from white colloid percipitate.
Drying.
Annealing in high temp.
And then you have pure white powder.
A tip- during annealing substance for a moment changed colour to black-and then again to snow white.
Caution: This is very dangerous and I dont take any responsibility if anybody try to replicate this!!!
Regards,
pix

Koen1

Hey thanks a lot Pix! :)

Lol it is just about as I imagined, and the main problem I ran into
is exactly the problem you describe: the sodium is extremely
reactive and so it is terribly difficult to keep it from reacting with
the crucible/vessel walls and with any other impurities in the first place.
Then in the second place, when "washing" the Na-Au alloy,
indeed a lot of NaOH should be produced which can again react
with the crucible/vessel and impurities, and obviously this is
after we take precautions not to fry ourselves with any exothermic
reactions between the pure sodium and the water.

I find it interesting that the high temperature burning and the
washing both occur in the descriptions I found on how to make
"Himalayan salt".
Basically in that procedure rock salt mined from inside
and under the himalayan mountains is used, put in a bamboo
container and burnt in a very hot oven. Then it is washed,
dried, and the process is repeated another 8 times,
untill the final residue after washing is described as a white
powder of fine grain, some slight tablesalt-like reflective
properties but mostly more opaque than normal salt, and
with a different taste to it. Some claim this "salt" has a
"refreshing" taste. Some claim putting some of it on their
sore tooth cured the toothache. Some, mostly buddhist
and falun Gong types, claim spiritually beneficial effects
and more direct connection with and control over Qi.

Since this sounds a bit similar to the effects of Ormes as
claimed by new age types, and the "salt burning" sounds
somewhat similar too, I thought it might be interesting to
look into the similarities...

Do you suppose it is possible that the bamboo container,
which obviously burns during the procedure, might either
"capture" some of the sodium from the salt, or bond with
the sodium in the salt, so that the sodium content decreases
during burning already..? So that for example sodium cabonate
(or bicarbonate) is formed, and during the washing there'd be
less sodium hydroxide to react with the washing container...?
I imagine that repetitive burning and washing might yield a
residue of colloidal metals mixed with some sodium carbonate,
or even colloidal metals with other metal carbonate compounds
and all the sodium washed out...
This could explain the described taste and appearance of the
Himalayan "salt", as well as the toothache cure story (since
sodium bicarbonate is an old toothache remedy).
But I haven't really gone over the exact reactions etc involved yet,
so I might be off here. This is just a guesstimate. ;)