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Very legit and promising desgin!

Started by skycaptain, September 07, 2007, 04:27:54 PM

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erickdt

Quote from: skycaptain on October 18, 2007, 10:28:43 AM
Well if its just self sustaining then that would be  great, first we just need a proof of concept that would shed some light onto this subject, disproving the laws of thermodynamics then once thats recognized to not be exactly correct hardcore R&D with all the new support and interest.
Man made fire before the combustion engine, the wheel before the car.


Magnet motors do not defy the laws of thermo-dynamics. The magnets are basically like batteries.

skycaptain

If it self sustains then thats overunity since its overcoming friction, wich is giving off excess energy, and thermodynamics states that there is already a constant amount of energy in the universe, x amount of input into any system results into x amount of total output energy.
Saying that, once the machine is built, it sustainfully overcomes friction and gives of energy without no more input. well call it a battery or interpret the laws wichever way you want, but that little fluke right there is a affect thats not widely taken advantage of. Call it whatever you want but seems science doesnt quit got everything down in plain black and white yet.

erickdt

Quote from: skycaptain on October 18, 2007, 01:03:37 PM
If it self sustains then thats overunity since its overcoming friction, wich is giving off excess energy, and thermodynamics states that there is already a constant amount of energy in the universe, x amount of input into any system results into x amount of total output energy.
Saying that, once the machine is built, it sustainfully overcomes friction and gives of energy without no more input. well call it a battery or interpret the laws wichever way you want, but that little fluke right there is a affect thats not widely taken advantage of. Call it whatever you want but seems science doesnt quit got everything down in plain black and white yet.

That finite ammount of energy in the Universe includes the energy contained within your magnet. That energy is what is overcoming the friction not some sort of energy that is being created. Therefore the laws of thermo-dynamics are not being defied.

Freezer

Quote from: erickdt on October 18, 2007, 01:50:34 PM
That finite ammount of energy in the Universe includes the energy contained within your magnet.

Are you sure the energy is contained within the magnet, or is the energy traveling through it?  That statement has always bothered me, and seems like somethings not right.  I don't think science has explained magnetism like it really is.  I seem to understand stuff in a visual form better than reading, and I've often wondered what magnetism looks like, and tried to study how it acts.  It just doesn't seem like energy is stored inside the magnet, I think its some type of energy traveling through it.  I visualize the different poles like hook shape gyroscopic particles, something like what leedskalnin depicted.  When in repulsion the hooks will deflect each other in their spinning motion, and hook together when in attraction, sort of like velcro.  I however don't pretend to be right, I honestly don't know, I'm still trying to understand it.

erickdt

Quote from: Freezer on October 18, 2007, 02:26:59 PM
Quote from: erickdt on October 18, 2007, 01:50:34 PM
That finite ammount of energy in the Universe includes the energy contained within your magnet.

Are you sure the energy is contained within the magnet, or is the energy traveling through it?  That statement has always bothered me, and seems like somethings not right.  I don't think science has explained magnetism like it really is.  I seem to understand stuff in a visual form better than reading, and I've often wondered what magnetism looks like, and tried to study how it acts.  It just doesn't seem like energy is stored inside the magnet, I think its some type of energy traveling through it.  I visualize the different poles like hook shape gyroscopic particles, something like what leedskalnin depicted.  When in repulsion the hooks will deflect each other in their spinning motion, and hook together when in attraction, sort of like velcro.  I however don't pretend to be right, I honestly don't know, I'm still trying to understand it.

To be honest I'm not really sure either. I don't think anyone is. I based this statement on what I know about how ferrite magnets are made and that is by heating an electrified piece of ferrite material. The energy put into making that magnet in then stored within it or at least that's my rationale. Either way, if it's a storage device or some sort of conductor of ubiquitous energy it is not defying the laws of thermo-dynamics. They cannot be broken. I for one believe that "free energy" can be harnessed without breaking the laws of thermo-dynamics.