Low friction gravity wheel utilizing SMOT for pulse boost

[Low-Q]

A SMOT in a closed loop you'll find that the sum of all forces acting on the rotor is 0.

Say's who?

Use some common sense, and you'll figure out

[Low-Q]

Freezer:

If this is possible, and I underline if, I believe it will be done with a combination of various devices and approaches, just as you are saying. It may not be possible but, that is what intrigued me about combining the SMOT and the gravity wheel. It may require a different approach entirely or adding yet another technology to it.  I just love the chase.  I wish I had an old pinball machine...can you imagine the great parts you could salvage from that?

Bill

I had added the Chas device and spiralling the balls inwards (should that be in the golden ratio?).

Concider the red ball right before it drops outside the SMOT-ramp. What force are moving the ball up the ramp? Magnetic force! What prevents the same magnetic force to work on the same ball right after it has start dropping? Nothing! So the acceleration of the ball downwards is therfor not 9,81m/s², but less.

So the ball does not have the natural acceleration of gravity, because of the influence of magnetic fields that is holding the ball back a bit.

So when the ball is suppose to enter the SMOT again, the magnetic force at the beginning of the SMOT, and the reduced acceleration of the ball + friction, is not sufficiant to make a closed loop. Nice drawing, but no hope

Br.

Vidar

[hansvonlieven]

G'day all,

If you can get that sort of gradient with a smot, what do you need the wheel for??

Hans von Lieven

[gaby de wilde]

Freezer:
If this is possible, and I underline if, I believe it will be done with a combination of various devices and approaches, just as you are saying. It may not be possible but, that is what intrigued me about combining the SMOT and the gravity wheel. It may require a different approach entirely or adding yet another technology to it.  I just love the chase.  I wish I had an old pinball machine...can you imagine the great parts you could salvage from that?

Bill

I had added the Chas device and spiralling the balls inwards (should that be in the golden ratio?).

Concider the red ball right before it drops outside the SMOT-ramp. What force are moving the ball up the ramp? Magnetic force! What prevents the same magnetic force to work on the same ball right after it has start dropping? Nothing! So the acceleration of the ball downwards is therfor not 9,81m/s², but less.

Yes, it's less then 9.8 but it's not zero either.

Say we have 2 ramps

1 ramp of zero degrees

1 ramp of 10 degrees utilising SMOT tech

the ramp under zero degrees adds a ball to the wheel. This ball is moving slower as the wheel. Either we need to use up some gravity to first accelerate the ball before deploying it or we end up slowing down the wheel while accelerating the ball. Either way: accelerating the ball costs energy.

When the ball is dropping out of a smot ramp and when the ball is passing the entrance height it is moving downwards already, when deployed onto the wheel it's moving dramatically faster as on our horizontal ramp where it was not moving vertically at all.

While using a perfectly horizontal ramp we would need energy to transport the ball to the other end. If we could borrow this from the system in an elegant way that would be a big improvement.

So the ball does not have the natural acceleration of gravity, because of the influence of magnetic fields that is holding the ball back a bit.

yes, a bit but not all the way.

I think the field makes the ball appear less heavy, it still drops as fast as a brick. Just try to levitate a coin under a magnet. Then you will see it drops just as fast, it's the impact that is reduced. This may of course still prevent the device from operating but it's very different from what you describe right? Logically it should slow down proportionally with getting it's weight back. I'm not so sure that's the case. I think it "keeps" some of the kinetic energy.

So when the ball is suppose to enter the SMOT again, the magnetic force at the beginning of the SMOT, and the reduced acceleration of the ball + friction, is not sufficiant to make a closed loop. Nice drawing, but no hope

You don't have to kill hope, hope is pretty much dead and buried on this forum.

Again, the SMOT is only there to transport the balls from the left to the right. If it can gain some height then hurray!

You take a stick you hold it in the center then you suspend a weight from either end. Put one weight close to you and the other one as far away as you can.

A second SMOT could be used to transport the balls back to the left again.

lemme draw it....

o wow.... I just discovered jet another trick.....

to much ideas not enough spectators.... lolzz...

[Pirate88179]

Hello all:

These are very interesting ideas to be sure.  I still think that a fixed sphere on the circumference of the wheel could be made to pass through a SMOT type device on the downward side of the cycle to take advantage of the pulse from the SMOT and use the gravity to escape the sticky spot as the linear SMOTs do.  I got my wheel in yesterday and also found two others.  I rebuilt the bearings and instead of grease, I used a very light instrument oil on them.  I am now truing the wheel to minimize runout. I think I have all the magnets I need but will have to wait and see.  I think the SMOT will have to simulate the curvature of the outside diameter of the wheel, at least up to a point.  I have devised a system to allow very accurate adjustments on all axis because I think, if this will work, the answer lies in a very limited range of adjustment.  Possibly within a few 1/1000 of an inch.  I am not sure what size sphere to use but thinking of about 1/2 inch dia.  I will keep you posted on my progress, if any.  If it does not work, at least my cat enjoys playing with the spinning wheel, possibly a new cat toy worth millions... ha ha. Now if I could only find a use for used kitty litter, I would be a rich man.

Bill