Low friction gravity wheel utilizing SMOT for pulse boost

[Low-Q]

Freezer:
If this is possible, and I underline if, I believe it will be done with a combination of various devices and approaches, just as you are saying. It may not be possible but, that is what intrigued me about combining the SMOT and the gravity wheel. It may require a different approach entirely or adding yet another technology to it.  I just love the chase.  I wish I had an old pinball machine...can you imagine the great parts you could salvage from that?

Bill

I had added the Chas device and spiralling the balls inwards (should that be in the golden ratio?).

Concider the red ball right before it drops outside the SMOT-ramp. What force are moving the ball up the ramp? Magnetic force! What prevents the same magnetic force to work on the same ball right after it has start dropping? Nothing! So the acceleration of the ball downwards is therfor not 9,81m/s², but less.

Yes, it's less then 9.8 but it's not zero either.

Say we have 2 ramps

1 ramp of zero degrees

1 ramp of 10 degrees utilising SMOT tech

the ramp under zero degrees adds a ball to the wheel. This ball is moving slower as the wheel. Either we need to use up some gravity to first accelerate the ball before deploying it or we end up slowing down the wheel while accelerating the ball. Either way: accelerating the ball costs energy.

When the ball is dropping out of a smot ramp and when the ball is passing the entrance height it is moving downwards already, when deployed onto the wheel it's moving dramatically faster as on our horizontal ramp where it was not moving vertically at all.

While using a perfectly horizontal ramp we would need energy to transport the ball to the other end. If we could borrow this from the system in an elegant way that would be a big improvement.

So the ball does not have the natural acceleration of gravity, because of the influence of magnetic fields that is holding the ball back a bit.

yes, a bit but not all the way.

I think the field makes the ball appear less heavy, it still drops as fast as a brick. Just try to levitate a coin under a magnet. Then you will see it drops just as fast, it's the impact that is reduced. This may of course still prevent the device from operating but it's very different from what you describe right? Logically it should slow down proportionally with getting it's weight back. I'm not so sure that's the case. I think it "keeps" some of the kinetic energy.

So when the ball is suppose to enter the SMOT again, the magnetic force at the beginning of the SMOT, and the reduced acceleration of the ball + friction, is not sufficiant to make a closed loop. Nice drawing, but no hope

You don't have to kill hope, hope is pretty much dead and buried on this forum.

Again, the SMOT is only there to transport the balls from the left to the right. If it can gain some height then hurray!

You take a stick you hold it in the center then you suspend a weight from either end. Put one weight close to you and the other one as far away as you can.

A second SMOT could be used to transport the balls back to the left again.

lemme draw it....

o wow.... I just discovered jet another trick.....

to much ideas not enough spectators.... lolzz...

To drop a magnetic item from a magnetic field is the same as dropping it from a lower hight without the magnet. However, you need the full hight, and full speed of the ball to close the loop. The magnetic field is preventing it to do so. A second SMOT will just be another obstacle to prevent the ball even more to close the loop.

SMOT does simply not work. A magnet is already a closed and seald loop. You cannot extract energy from it that easy.

Br.

Vidar

[AB Hammer]

Pirate88179 and anybody else.

Try this

A smot/old paddle type which should make a nice toy. From one side it will look allot like the old paddle flipper but on the other side the magnets will be doing the flipping, instead of your finger making it flip. It uses wood of course and refrigorator magnets (the large ones) You place 1 embedded in the side of each flipper with N down, now on a stand you that will be in track with the magnets and place 2 with the N up side by side about 1/2 inch apart and the first lower than the other at an angle. You will have to play a bit with that angle and then watch it go. PS make sure your hinges work freely before attaching them.

This toy should get people into more SMOT.

[gaby de wilde]

To drop a magnetic item from a magnetic field is the same as dropping it from a lower hight without the magnet.

Absolutely not, they have different descriptions, they are different things. The mass is in a different position.

However, you need the full hight, and full speed of the ball to close the loop. The magnetic field is preventing it to do so.

Yes, that's what we have learned to accept.

But Sean from steorn said that if you move a ferromagnetic mass quickly towards a magnet induction is delayed and you get far less attraction. His question was "where does the energy go?"

This is MORE then enough of a clue to investigate configurations using slow in fast out, there are lots of motors already using this concept. Your excuses not to do a hands on constructive investigation don't have any basis.

A second SMOT will just be another obstacle to prevent the ball even more to close the loop.

Try to advance your understanding as well as the construction. Don't come debunk my ideas using malicious logic. When the application of 1 smot proves to be a success it will be worth it to check out a contraption with 2 smots. There is not an inch of doubt about this fact.

SMOT does simply not work.

I had more then enough of this simplicity mantra. This is just a baseless statement, it's nonsense! Nothing about life is ever simple, the assumption it would be is an error. You lack effort. And because of this your premature finalised conclusion is just nonsense. Are you trying to say I am an idiot for thinking about the topic with your simplicity statements ah?

It's all so simple but I don't get it right? That's what you are trying to say?

A magnet is already a closed and seald loop. You cannot extract energy from it that easy.

Exactly, not that easy. You would have to actulally do something towards the goal.

If not it just ain't going to happn homez.

What a bummer such simple facts escape your attention?

LOL

I'm sorry but I'm a little bored with hearing "oh, but I personally (me!) think that this can not work!" Makes me wonder why. Then I get more nonsense all the way up to noetroens thoeroem where there really isn't a living soul capable of actually understanding the thoerem. ROFL!! People say "this are teh facts". I demand to know why, why, why and why. Or I will say it's unacceptable. I have no use for anyone to tell me what the facts are I desire to understand them.

I'm trying to build perpetual motion devices, this will be hard if not impossible. What else is new?

I think it's easy, my proof is in the clear and obvious fact that everyone is looking the other way. Not many people are really motivated to build such devices. And for those who are it's just a hobby in most cases. The serious research doesn't exist. Just like the serious opinion hasn't arrived.

[gaby de wilde]

I have been told that the SMOT does not give much of a push but I have seen the videos where the sphere runs uphill and shoots off the end of the ramp. I just need a very slight pulse/push to close the loop on the gravity wheel and I think this might do it...but, maybe not.  Thoughts?

I would update a page with my findings. Like so.

http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/smot

You can just copy the links from my site, no body has a copyright on links to other peoples websites. Then you add your own stuff to the page. This way you can keep the feedback on track and it's very nice for future researchers. This forum is good for that, you can add the link to the first post to your forum signature. Then add everything you can find to that posting. It's just as good as any other website, just put everything in one place for us. I have not seen a smot shooting balls jet. I'm convinced it can be done but I haven't seen it jet. I did see ramps with magnet rollers. Not sure where tho LOL that should make my point? no? hehe  Must keep some kind of archive  ofthe stuff you find online before you forget where it is. It's nice to do that some place public. etc

[Low-Q]

To drop a magnetic item from a magnetic field is the same as dropping it from a lower hight without the magnet.

Absolutely not, they have different descriptions, they are different things. The mass is in a different position.

However, you need the full hight, and full speed of the ball to close the loop. The magnetic field is preventing it to do so.

Yes, that's what we have learned to accept.

But Sean from steorn said that if you move a ferromagnetic mass quickly towards a magnet induction is delayed and you get far less attraction. His question was "where does the energy go?"

This is MORE then enough of a clue to investigate configurations using slow in fast out, there are lots of motors already using this concept. Your excuses not to do a hands on constructive investigation don't have any basis.

A second SMOT will just be another obstacle to prevent the ball even more to close the loop.

Try to advance your understanding as well as the construction. Don't come debunk my ideas using malicious logic. When the application of 1 smot proves to be a success it will be worth it to check out a contraption with 2 smots. There is not an inch of doubt about this fact.

SMOT does simply not work.

I had more then enough of this simplicity mantra. This is just a baseless statement, it's nonsense! Nothing about life is ever simple, the assumption it would be is an error. You lack effort. And because of this your premature finalised conclusion is just nonsense. Are you trying to say I am an idiot for thinking about the topic with your simplicity statements ah?

It's all so simple but I don't get it right? That's what you are trying to say?

A magnet is already a closed and seald loop. You cannot extract energy from it that easy.

Exactly, not that easy. You would have to actulally do something towards the goal.

If not it just ain't going to happn homez.

What a bummer such simple facts escape your attention?

LOL

I'm sorry but I'm a little bored with hearing "oh, but I personally (me!) think that this can not work!" Makes me wonder why. Then I get more nonsense all the way up to noetroens thoeroem where there really isn't a living soul capable of actually understanding the thoerem. ROFL!! People say "this are teh facts". I demand to know why, why, why and why. Or I will say it's unacceptable. I have no use for anyone to tell me what the facts are I desire to understand them.

I'm trying to build perpetual motion devices, this will be hard if not impossible. What else is new?

I think it's easy, my proof is in the clear and obvious fact that everyone is looking the other way. Not many people are really motivated to build such devices. And for those who are it's just a hobby in most cases. The serious research doesn't exist. Just like the serious opinion hasn't arrived.

Yes, it is a question about why it don't work. It is also a question about why it works. We cannot give an exact answer to the first question, because we only have endless of evidence that has failed, and theories about how we cannot gain energy from nothing. I have also many attempts made magnet motors. Started with one magnet setup, just to see how or if it will work on an item in mostly one direction. The Femm application do also simulate one direction force with a certain magnetic setup. However, the sum of forces are allways equalized in a closed loop - for some reason. Maybe a bug in Femm, and a bug in my practical magnetic setups, I don't know. I just know that it doesn't work.

We are looking for a way to make "2 + 2 = 4+1".

Br.

Vidar