F.B.D.I.S.S.M - Flux.Boosted.Dual.Induction.Split.Spiral.Motor.

[Honk]

@ all.

I'm sorry to say this but I'm finished working on the magnetic wankel idea.
It won't work, no matter what is tried, simply due to the magnetic cycle being 100% conservative.
Perhaps you never read the statements from Terry that I posted, (Paul Sprains engineer)
They also found it being conservative. In every case...and they had enormous financial and intellectual resources to spend.
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg40636.html
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3456.msg267144#msg267144

Quote:
I can tell you that, at the end of M International, LLC, I was given free
reign to instruct the lab to perform many experiments.  We did Bedini,
shields, pivoting mags while rotating, static push-pulls, ("And then" from
"Dude, Where's My Car?") and found the magnetic field was conservative.
In every case.

I assure you that the magnetic cycle is conservative.  No pulse motor,
no pure magnet motor nor any combination will save us from the oilies.

Terry
End Quote:

So there will be no more Wankel re-builds due to these facts.
It would only spend my time and money and not give anything back but grey hairs.
The only thing that could awake my interest is if there came along a magnetic pulse
device that only consumed a fraction of an ordinary electromagnet while not being
affected by any induced magnetic field. But I don't think there will ever be such a thing.

And please don't tell me to try a piston with a magnet for the pulsing. It simply won't work.
All types of magnetic fields, pulsed, static or moving, is 100% conservative.
Physics is right and there simply is no conspiracy.
It makes me sad as I really wanted overunity come true.

[Liberty]

@ all.

I'm sorry to say this but I'm finished working on the magnetic wankel idea.
It won't work, no matter what is tried, simply due to the magnetic cycle being 100% conservative.
Perhaps you never read the statements from Terry that I posted, (Paul Sprains engineer)
They also found it being conservative. In every case...and they had enormous financial and intellectual resources to spend.
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg40636.html
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3456.msg267144#msg267144

Quote:
I can tell you that, at the end of M International, LLC, I was given free
reign to instruct the lab to perform many experiments.  We did Bedini,
shields, pivoting mags while rotating, static push-pulls, ("And then" from
"Dude, Where's My Car?") and found the magnetic field was conservative.
In every case.

I assure you that the magnetic cycle is conservative.  No pulse motor,
no pure magnet motor nor any combination will save us from the oilies.

Terry
End Quote:

So there will be no more Wankel re-builds due to these facts.
It would only spend my time and money and not give anything back but grey hairs.
The only thing that could awake my interest is if there came along a magnetic pulse
device that only consumed a fraction of an ordinary electromagnet while not being
affected by any induced magnetic field. But I don't think there will ever be such a thing.

And please don't tell me to try a piston with a magnet for the pulsing. It simply won't work.
All types of magnetic fields, pulsed, static or moving, is 100% conservative.
Physics is right and there simply is no conspiracy.
It makes me sad as I really wanted overunity come true.

I agree; as long as one tries things the way physics expects it to be tried, the above quote is true. 

[Paul-R]

I assure you that the magnetic cycle is conservative.  No pulse motor,
no pure magnet motor nor any combination will save us from the oilies.

Terry

What about the Jim Watson/ John Bedini motor?

[hartiberlin]

Honk,
Paul Sprain asked me privately how to suppress the BackEMF of his huge coils.
It seemed to me that he had not heard of a freewheel diode before, so I wonder
how good his electronic control circuits were...and why he did not use
toroidal coils in series out of phase like in the Orbo ?

Why don´t you try 2 toroidal coils in series and 180 degrees out of phase as in the Orbo ?
This will definately NOT induce any current inside the electromagnets,
so you can switch with very low energy input pulses .

Surely you will have then to match the magnet track to the toroidal
electromagnet coils release forces, so the airgaps have to be adjusted,
so the electrical pulse
for the toroids will be enough to overcome the sticky spot.

Use lots of fine wire diameter and high drive voltage,
think Newman coil principle.

ALso you did not use any heavy flywheel, which I guess is a must in
such devices to help you get over the sticky spot via the help of inertia.

Regards, Stefan.

[Honk]

The problem lies in the applied magnetic field from the electromagnets.
In order to bring the motor into overunity the EM's, Toroid's or not, must equalise
the sticky spot by applying a nearly as strong field as the NdFebs and this is
of course impossible. The gain from the gradient slope is therefore lost at exit.
I can say by 100% certainty that the super puny field from a closed loop toroid
cannot bridge the gap in a magnetic Wankel. I don't need to spend time on this.

The toroidal solution in Steorn cannot in any way be compared to the needs of a Wankel.
Steorn has no permanent magnets next to their toroid's that has to be fought against.
A toroidal core has all of its field within the core and it's extremely weak outside.
This is the benefits of toroidal designs. Simply no magnetic EMI or losses due to airgaps.