Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[DrStiffler]

Hello Dr. Stiffler,
in a previous post I had posted some questions, but did only now realize, that I had not understood the circuit layout presented in video 9.75.
I had thought the SEC Exciter is connected to the coil and the copper screen cylinder acts as a energy pickup/converter of the secondary, i.e. as pickup for the "AV branch".
I do now realize that it is in fact the other way round:

The copper screen cylinder is part of the The SEC Exciter and the antenna coil acts as a pickup, seemingly reacting to  electrostatic/capacitive disturbance in space, "transforming" this disturbance to a current flow in the secondary (i.e. AV-plug).

I hope I got this right.

It would be interesting to know, whether it is possible to place an additional antenna coil (with a larger core-diameter) around the outside of the copper screen cylinder.
I envisage an arrangement, where the copper screen cylinder is sandwiched between two coaxial coils, i.e sandwiched between the inner coil (which you have already in place) and an outer one (which would have to be added).

I wonder whether it would be possible, to successfully attach secondary circuitry including a load to such an additional pickup, without causing dampening of the effect on the first.
Maybe by discharging both pickups simultaneously !?

However, in the meantime you seemingly found a more efficient way to "melt your neons".
Without the Sidac !?
Congratulations.
How did you do it?

Sorry for not answering your first.

Yes! You are 100% right. (electrostatic/capacity) and yes spatial interaction between the coil and the copper frame.

I have not tried your idea of multiple coils, it is a logical thing to try, yet I have not tried it. Was hoping some one that has coils and did the LED circuit might try.

Of all that have posted on what is going on (no offense to anyone) you are the closest.

[k4zep]

Hello Dr. Stiffler,
in a previous post I had posted some questions, but did only now realize, that I had not understood the circuit layout presented in video 9.75.
I had thought the SEC Exciter is connected to the coil and the copper screen cylinder acts as a energy pickup/converter of the secondary, i.e. as pickup for the "AV branch".
I do now realize that it is in fact the other way round:

The copper screen cylinder is part of the The SEC Exciter and the antenna coil acts as a pickup, seemingly reacting to  electrostatic/capacitive disturbance in space, "transforming" this disturbance to a current flow in the secondary (i.e. AV-plug).

I hope I got this right.

It would be interesting to know, whether it is possible to place an additional antenna coil (with a larger core-diameter) around the outside of the copper screen cylinder.
I envisage an arrangement, where the copper screen cylinder is sandwiched between two coaxial coils, i.e sandwiched between the inner coil (which you have already in place) and an outer one (which would have to be added).

I wonder whether it would be possible, to successfully attach secondary circuitry including a load to such an additional pickup, without causing dampening of the effect on the first.
Maybe by discharging both pickups simultaneously !?

However, in the meantime you seemingly found a more efficient way to "melt your neons".
Without the Sidac !?
Congratulations.
How did you do it?

Sorry for not answering your first.

Yes! You are 100% right. (electrostatic/capacity) and yes spatial interaction between the coil and the copper frame.

I have not tried your idea of multiple coils, it is a logical thing to try, yet I have not tried it. Was hoping some one that has coils and did the LED circuit might try.

Of all that have posted on what is going on (no offense to anyone) you are the closest.

Good Morning Dr. Stiffler,

Have you measured the current/voltage in the latest AV PLUG and Neon? As there is no pulsing, everything seems to be static so should be very easy to come up with the numbers.   Why not a sandwich of shield/coil/shield/coil/shield, etc?  I have a very busy day of "Not" fun stuff here but will try to do same thing with shield/coil driven by sig generator as for up to now, I simply can not get your circuit to Osc. (missing something) Too many irons in the fire.

Interesting your description of electrostatic waves in device, rapid rise time of pulse, longitudinal wave (theory) emitted via partial shield, collecton of wave and spatial interaction in coil.(is the coil needed as no longer resonant without core? or another shield type collector would do the same thing with enough area?)........the common thread in many FE devices!

Most interesting to see how this device changes with increased knowledge!

Ben

[DrStiffler]

Hello Dr. Stiffler,
in a previous post I had posted some questions, but did only now realize, that I had not understood the circuit layout presented in video 9.75.
I had thought the SEC Exciter is connected to the coil and the copper screen cylinder acts as a energy pickup/converter of the secondary, i.e. as pickup for the "AV branch".
I do now realize that it is in fact the other way round:

The copper screen cylinder is part of the The SEC Exciter and the antenna coil acts as a pickup, seemingly reacting to  electrostatic/capacitive disturbance in space, "transforming" this disturbance to a current flow in the secondary (i.e. AV-plug).

I hope I got this right.

It would be interesting to know, whether it is possible to place an additional antenna coil (with a larger core-diameter) around the outside of the copper screen cylinder.
I envisage an arrangement, where the copper screen cylinder is sandwiched between two coaxial coils, i.e sandwiched between the inner coil (which you have already in place) and an outer one (which would have to be added).

I wonder whether it would be possible, to successfully attach secondary circuitry including a load to such an additional pickup, without causing dampening of the effect on the first.
Maybe by discharging both pickups simultaneously !?

However, in the meantime you seemingly found a more efficient way to "melt your neons".
Without the Sidac !?
Congratulations.
How did you do it?

Sorry for not answering your first.

Yes! You are 100% right. (electrostatic/capacity) and yes spatial interaction between the coil and the copper frame.

I have not tried your idea of multiple coils, it is a logical thing to try, yet I have not tried it. Was hoping some one that has coils and did the LED circuit might try.

Of all that have posted on what is going on (no offense to anyone) you are the closest.

Good Morning Dr. Stiffler,

Have you measured the current/voltage in the latest AV PLUG and Neon? As there is no pulsing, everything seems to be static so should be very easy to come up with the numbers.   Why not a sandwich of shield/coil/shield/coil/shield, etc?  I have a very busy day of "Not" fun stuff here but will try to do same thing with shield/coil driven by sig generator as for up to now, I simply can not get your circuit to Osc. (missing something) Too many irons in the fire.

Interesting your description of electrostatic waves in device, rapid rise time of pulse, longitudinal wave (theory) emitted via partial shield, collecton of wave and spatial interaction in coil.(is the coil needed as no longer resonant without core? or another shield type collector would do the same thing with enough area?)........the common thread in many FE devices!

Most interesting to see how this device changes with increased knowledge!

Ben

@Ben

WOW! so many questions at once, I'm a simple man... :-)

I am sure you are trying to run the 'Exciter' as I have posted so I think you would have the right components, yet the 400pF and coil in the base is the critical factor. if I remember right, did not 'Spokane2' get it to work some time back? Any way the spec's are in the diagram here and on the web site. This coil does not couple back from the output in any way (small of course) but it is not a coupled feedback circuit. With the MPSA06 and the proper base configuration C & L it for sure should run, if you have the adjustment range I show. It will operated at many different freq's but one and only one will draw the least current and will produce the greatest output. As can be seen in the video and stills, very simple circuit.

Driving with a signal generator, doubt it will work....

Yes many have suggest different coil arrangements and I have yet to try any from what is shown. Putting this on circuit board to be shipped out for testing (Heat Output), hope to have it to the lab by mid next month and then its up to them and their time when it could be tested. The lab that I hope will test it must for the time being remain confidential, don't want to get anyone reputable receiving flack. Anyway that is the plan.

I have stated in many places that the best and most simple way to 'Tune' one of these circuits is to start with just the plug diodes and a Neon. Forget current at the start, just tune until you have max brightness on the Neon or it melts :-), again there will be only 'ONE' freq where this will happen, even though a scope and sense coil will show oscillation and many times the difference can not be determined on the scope from the correct or incorrect spot.

I have ordered a Spectrum Analyzer (in fact StifflerScientific may sell them), two models one to 550Mhz and the other to 1.05GHz, nice units and very attractive price. More on that later.

For now keep at that osc, why does it not work for you??

[k4zep]

Hi Dr. Stiffler,

Got Osc. working, variable coil was way too high, max of 37uh, now about 8-1uh, had to take some turns off, collector RFC was wrong............sheesssss.....can't trust my eyes anymore......

I get about a 120V peak pulse on collector........got to find some screen material for primary of SEC coupling device.....Think I have some in storage.  How 'Peaky" is this system with the screen/coil output setup and in your case, what frequency is the basic pulse rate?  Darn, more questions.  Put me down for one of your boards/kits.

Later
Ben

[DrStiffler]

Hi Dr. Stiffler,

Got Osc. working, variable coil was way too high, max of 37uh, now about 8-1uh, had to take some turns off, collector RFC was wrong............sheesssss.....can't trust my eyes anymore......

I get about a 120V peak pulse on collector........got to find some screen material for primary of SEC coupling device.....Think I have some in storage.  How 'Peaky" is this system with the screen/coil output setup and in your case, what frequency is the basic pulse rate?  Darn, more questions.  Put me down for one of your boards/kits.

Later
Ben

@Ben

Hate to tell all, but I purchase most of my Brass, Copper and Aluminum Rod, Copper Sheet and Al and Cu Screen from a Crafts store. The foil is used for embossing and I really don't know what they use the screen for, but the price is right when compared to a required volume and shipping purchase else where. Check the local craft store before a Home Improvement Outlet.

Also a sign of on some of the fraud going on out there, purchased a number of bags of what were called Copper Scouring  Pads used by wives to help in the kitchen, could get what I wanted but was short two bags and had to buy a name brand at about a 30% higher price. When returned to the lab, the cheaper pads were found to be attracted by a magnet, Duh! The name brand was not. Guess what, the China Brand was copper over iron, great world. Be sure even at the craft store that it is 100% Cu.

Now for frequency and how to look at it, use a sense coil, see the following pictures.