Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications

[protonmom]

Hello everyone.  I have not posted in a while, but that couldn't be helped.  Anyway, I did not like my last NS EB, so I decided to make a new one, following the patent just as close as I could.  I am thinking it might have turned out to be promising, but thought I would ask your opinion.  Just for the heck of it, I thought I would see if I could charge my Boostcap (Maxwell 650F 2.7Volts) with my coil.  First, I tested the cap and it read zero all around. (Brand new from Gadget)  I have NO secondary on this coil as of yet, so I am only using the 5, 6 wires.  I hooked up the boostcap and my first reading was at 5:30 tonight.  Now, I don't know how to read a multimeter yet, so I will give you what it showed, and perhaps you can tell me how it is doing.  It is definitely doing something.  This first reading was taken perhaps about 30-40 minutes (I think) after starting the charge: 5:30 p.m.
Under Volts
20 = 0.22
  2 = .228
200m = 1

Under Amps
20m = 7
200m = 106.8

Under Battery
1.5 V = .220
9V = 0.21
12V =0.21
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Next reading was at 7:15 p.m.
Under Volts
20 = 0.26
2 = .268
200m = 1

Under Amps
20m = 1    (why would it go from 7 down to 1?)
200m = 125.4

Under Battery
1.5V = .260
9V = 0.25
12V = 0.25

I don't dare leave it charging all night, but I am thrilled it is doing something.......and this is with ONLY the coil primary, NO caps, NO diodes, NO resistors, NO battery, NO Secondary, NO JT, NO pulsing, NO Nuttin' but the coil.  I think that is amazing, but that is just me.  Now, in YOUR opinion is this good?  Once I have the boostcap charged I will see what it will light.  I have not gotten anything to light off the coil itself yet...and still don't have the secondary on.  Weren't we supposed to only get useful energy off the secondary?  Well, I think I am getting useful energy off the primary.
Edit:  BTW the coil is damp only, and NOT in the ground!

[jeanna]

Under Volts
20 = 0.22
  2 = .228
200m = 1

Under Amps
20m = 7
200m = 106.8

Under Battery
1.5 V = .220
9V = 0.21
12V =0.21
****************************
Next reading was at 7:15 p.m.
Under Volts
20 = 0.26
2 = .268
200m = 1

Under Amps
20m = 1    (why would it go from 7 down to 1?)
200m = 125.4

Under Battery
1.5V = .260
9V = 0.25
12V = 0.25

I don't dare leave it charging all night, but I am thrilled it is doing something.......and this is with ONLY the coil primary, NO caps, NO diodes, NO resistors, NO battery, NO Secondary, NO JT, NO pulsing, NO Nuttin' but the coil.  I think that is amazing, but that is just me.  Now, in YOUR opinion is this good?  Once I have the boostcap charged I will see what it will light.  I have not gotten anything to light off the coil itself yet...and still don't have the secondary on.  Weren't we supposed to only get useful energy off the secondary?  Well, I think I am getting useful energy off the primary.
Edit:  BTW the coil is damp only, and NOT in the ground!

Hi protonmom.
I think the readings are normal.
What you are giving us is different resolutions of the meter when it is reading the volts or amps etc.
Basically go to the last category before it says 1
The 1 is a way for the meter to complain that it is reading something off its chart.
Well... off the chart of the resolution.
So, if you are getting 268mV
You will be able to read 0.268 when the top allowable number would be 2 volts
but it would cry 1 when you put the dial onto the 200mv scale because you have 68 more than it can read on that scale.

So, in that amps reading, it didn't go down from 7 to 1, instead it went up from 7 to 125.4mA so it said, "1" meaning, "I cannot read this".
[I made a mistake in my answer but it is a good explanation so it stays.
I suspect it said 1 not 7 because it was in fact 106mA and the meter should be saying 1 at that point.]


It will be very interesting to see what you can collect in that bcap. Also how long it takes, which is also significant.
Then start the test over and see again.
In every case, my NS coils got lower results the second time, but I cannot remember if I was connecting the 5,6 into one twisted wire, and that might make a big difference.

I personally think this is showing the galvanic potential of your particular coil.
This is an important control test which should always be done before any ground tests.

Thanks and carry on!

jeanna

[protonmom]

Jeanna,
Thank you for explaining that about the 1.  That has always bothered me.  And what does a Negative 1 mean?  ( Still so much to  learn...)  You are right about the 7.  Maybe it WAS a 1.  (?? not sure as I was certain at the time it said 7)

I agree that I am probably just getting galvanic juices from the coil at this time, since it is still damp.  However, none of my other EB's charged up any caps...at least not like this one is doing.  It makes me wonder how much better it will work once it is IN the ground and properly aligned. (or how much better it would work if I put it into a jar of water as Nathan suggested)

You mentioned not remembering whether or not you had twisted 5 and 6 together.  Wires 5 and 6 would be connected or twisted together ONLY when you want to make an electromagnet.  But for power they need to be separate.

I have a second Boostcap (brand new, uncharged) and will try that one too, later.  I only hope I can remember how to make this coil for the next time because I didn't write a lot down.  I know approx. how many turns for each layer, and I guess I know the size wire since I still have some.  Yes, I do believe I can make another matching coil.  If I can actually charge up this boostcap and put it to use, isnt that pretty good, seeing as how I did not put anything INTO the coil except water?  Gadget said we have to make sure not to charge those boostcaps over 2.7 volts.  I will be delighted to get it TO 2.7 volts!
I did notice that if I turned the coil a certain direction, it seemed to be more powerful.  (Northwesterly)  As soon as the ground thaws enough, I plan to bury the coil (s).  Will take pictures if and when I start to make a new coil.

I just checked the boostcap again, and it is STILL climbing!!!!  Hurrah!!  Sure hope this works!

[jeanna]

Wow, this is cool. You are doing great.
And to be able to have the documentation of the galvanic part is important.
I did not realize this until my last couple of NS generators.

I do hope you will make a very big secondary. None of us did that.
I have 2 with secondaries, both of which work, but they are both step down transformers, as they have fewer turns than the primary wires.

I realize now that I told you I had never gotten anything from my secondary.
For one thing it was because I had no scope.
Also, it was when they were in the ground that this was so, and also,
You will not see anything either if you do not have a scope.

This is what you are doing with the bcap that none of us ever did.
The way to account for the oscillations from the coil when there is no scope, is to collect them in a cap!!!!!!

It is coming together now for me.

Wow.
In the early joule thief days MK1 showed me how to collect the output in a cap so I could measure the output.
He and xee2 both still use this method.

So, make a full bridge rectifier,
This will take the oscillating stuff from the secondary and make it into a pos and a neg. then add another diode in the right direction to the pos side and another to the neg side, then connect this to a cap. (I used a fuji camera cap). wow it was amazing how it showed I had something that did not show up on the meter.

So, yeah, make another, but before anything, write down how many rows of wire the thickness and the materials anything you can think of then cover it up with  hundreds of turns of a secondary, and then get it in a cap and maybe you have cracked this thing.

wow,

jeanna

[protonmom]

Jeanna,
On that last EB, (the one I don't like) I did make a secondary...but did not get much usefulness off it.  I think in order for a secondary to work well, it needs to be VERY CAREFULLY wound as neatly as possible.  No scramble winding, just neat straight rows.  (my opinion)  Also, scraping off the ends until you are quite certain they are clean is important.  You might THINK you have the ends clean but sometimes that enamel is still there.  I saw someone burning it off, but I am not sure that is the best way to do it.

I do have an old clunker of a Tektronix scope, but I have not yet learned how to use it.  I should have just bought a new one like you did.  I think yours is hand-held, isn't it?  It might take me years to learn to use the one I have.  Not sure how to hook up the probes as it did not come with a manual, and the papers I found on it, online, are not much help with the probes either.  I guess it will have to be "hit and miss" for awhile.

You wrote:
>>So, make a full bridge rectifier,This will take the oscillating stuff from the secondary and make it into a pos and a neg. then add another diode in the right direction to the pos side and another to the neg side, then connect this to a cap. (I used a fuji camera cap). wow it was amazing how it showed I had something that did not show up on the meter.<<

Can you post a drawing of how you connect the rectifier, and how you used the fuji?  Thanks.

As far as "cracking" this coil, we probably have a lot more to learn.  I am still not happy with the interpretation of his patent.  The way they talked and wrote back then is so different from the way we do today.  We have to learn to think as HE thought and try to imagine what he might have done given his circumstances.  He surely had no Maxwell Boostcap, but he might have had some kine of homemade device that worked just as well...or better.

I will have to wait a bit before I can make any more coils due to finances, but will make them as soon as possible.  Meanwhile, the cap is still gaining.


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