Here it is, Bessler's 12 ft wheel

[hansvonlieven]

Longtong, I am afraid your ignorance is showing.

Bessler put his wheel on display in 1712!  At that time in Europe there was a feudal society based mainly on agriculture. The man in the street had very little, meat was on the table only on special occasions and most people went hungry every now and then because they could not afford bread.

Bessler asked for an enormous amount of money, even most princes could not afford his price. In today's money the sum he asked for would be several Billion!

The entire peasantry of Germany at the time would not have had that much money between them.

Put it in perspective before you judge people and Bessler.

Hans von Lieven

[longtong3]

Longtong, I am afraid your ignorance is showing.

Bessler put his wheel on display in 1712!  At that time in Europe there was a feudal society based mainly on agriculture. The man in the street had very little, meat was on the table only on special occasions and most people went hungry every now and then because they could not afford bread.

Bessler asked for an enormous amount of money, even most princes could not afford his price. In today's money the sum he asked for would be several Billion!

The entire peasantry of Germany at the time would not have had that much money between them.

Put it in perspective before you judge people and Bessler.

Hans von Lieven

How much did Bessler ask for at that time? Several billion for today money, it still just a few dollars for each one of us.

Maybe "argriculture boy" (equal to "oil boy" today) did not want his wheel for some reasons.

[Koen1]

Well i'm with Hans on this one. It's not a simple matter of the peasants choosing not to buy the wheel.
you have to consider that
a) peasants hardly had anything of value, they often didn't even have enough food, let alone money,
b) it was a feudal society, meaning that you did what you were told by your Lord, or you'd lose your head
c) there was no industry based on other forms of power than manual, horse, or wind. Large machinery was not around.
d) there were no independent media through which the common people could learn of new developments such
as this wheel (in most countries)
e) any form of change in the status quo that might in any way or form disrupt the system in which the common folk
were ruled by the elite aristocracy was violently opposed by the latter
f) there was no concept of "one world" at the time. There were only many countries/kingdoms trying to cheat eachother. Feudalism ran deep.

And, while you're considering that, maybe you can also consider why it is that we, modern day people, with all the things we do have,
still have not joined forces to secure a safe and plentiful energy supply for centuries to come?
We can do it, you know.
It's called nuclear fusion, and it is possible.
But for some reason the nations of the world, nor the UN, nor the USA, nor the G8, nor the EU, none of those multinational alliances,
have found it worthwile investing the hundreds of billions of Euros to complete the R&D and construction of a true viable nuclear fusion plant.
Many experimental fusion reactors have already been built and used, and knowledge of fusion is now at the point where they have
successfully determined the specifications needed to build a fusion reactor that can produce sustained fusion and at the same time
output huge amounts of electrical energy. Fusion reactors can run on Deuterium and Tritium, basically heavy hydrogen, and we've got
enough hydrogen in the oceans to last us centuries, milennia even. It would, in effect, be nearly "free" energy, if we take into account that
the R&D and construction costs as well as the cost of refining the heavy water is relatively minute in comparison to the amounts of
energy it can yield.
But, for some reason, we don't.

So you can blame the poor peasants of the past for not investing in the Bessler wheel they didn't even know about,
or you can start to wonder why exactly the same thing is happening now...

[longtong3]

@Koen1

What you said is the problem with the people of the word or "human problem"

If the world is "lovely, honestly world", thing might work like this: group of people (company, corporation) buy Bessley's wheel (patient or invention). They pay in advance "chip in money of the world", then re-sale it to companies all around the world and get their money back, plus profit. Companies promote product (wheel, patient) then sale it to end user and get their money back plus interest.

If 10% world population use product, they pay 10 times more for the chip in. If 50% need, they pay twice the chip in. But many times it does not work that way.

Company might steal wheel (patient) from inventor (human problem)

Others companies around the world might steal idea & do not pay royalties to company which bought the patient, they want to put the end user chip in money in their own pocket (human problem)

With the human problem like that, who do you blame? Bessley and the inventor with good invention?

[hansvonlieven]

Don't you see longtong, there was no "world" as you know it in 1712.

Close to 90% of the population in Europe was illiterate, there was no radio, television, newspaper etc that allowed people to see things and hear about things outside their immediate vicinity.

There was not even a widely understood language as we have in English today.

You are trying to superimpose contemporary conditions on a medieval way of life. This just cannot be done. Maybe Bessler would get a better hearing today, but I doubt it. Even if you had a wheel that turned by itself there would be few people listening to you if you quoted billions of dollars as your price.

Wake up, the world just doesn't work like this.

Hans von Lieven