Meyer's WFC concept analysed

[Esotericman]

Aha!  High Nickel!  See, that means the Satinless Steel needs to be austenetic!  So now we have a better idea of the ideal.  Something like a 310 (19-22%Ni) or 904L (25% Ni) would be ideal, though not necessarily widely used and commonly available.  If we tested both and found the 310 worked better, then we can assume the Molybdenum in 904L is to blame, and rule that element out. 
Do we even need Iron?  Does pure or Carbonized Nickel work?
Once we truly know all the elements in the equation, we can determine exactly what is happening, show it to the scientific community and say "HA!  See?  It works!"  Then sit back and wait for the Nobel Prize... :p

[Farrah Day]

I now have the parts to build Lawtons signal generator. I have some SS tubes and plates to experiment with (not sure what SS). Just waiting on the 110mm acrylic tube to construct the body of a wfc.

When I'm set up and running I'll be doing some testing of my own. First thing I'll be investigating is the conditioning effect on the SS to try to confirm if I'm right (or not) about the dielectric oxide layer.  About time we at least had a few things sorted once and for all.

Farrah Day

Just checked my SS tubes are standard 304 grade (low Nickel)

[HeairBear]

Hey guys,

One of the things I learned from researching Bedini's works, is to keep your builds as close to the diagrams and specifications as possible. The idea is to replicate it and get it working like it should and then try other things after that. Deviating from the original design will also lessen your chances of success. Not to mention, wasting hard earned money on materials that are not needed.

Your best bet today, would be to follow the Lawton document D14.pdf. Make sure you get the recently updated version also. If you would rather buy the PWM than build one, you can pick one up on eBay for $160.00. Get any old alternator, if you plan to use one, from a junk yard or somewhere cheep. You won't need or want the regulator if there is one on the alternator. T-304 annealed Stainless Steel tubes can be found at speedymetals.com. I have tested several grades including 316L, 304, 409, and others. They all seem to work the same and all of them get the oxide layer. All the other components involved should be easy to find for most people locally or online.

One question before I go. What is the purpose of the loop antenna diagram shown in the tech breif? Who compiled the tech breif? Oops, that's two questions....


God's Speed!

[keithturtle]

I built concentric tube cells out outa both 304 and 316L stainless.  Running only distilled water and KOH [low and varied concentrations all less than 0.1 normal] I observed as follows.

These was no FeO precipitate in the 316L cell, whilst the 304 cell would always leave the tell-ttale reddish crud at the bottom after a run of over 10 minutes.

I believe this to be a function of the iron content in 304, as the water was not a source in these tests.  Standardization tests are run with lab-grade deionised water.

It makes a difference, yer metals do, uh huh...

IMHO

Turtle

304 on left, 316L on right, new before testing

[Farrah Day]

Hi KT

Not sure why you would want to use distilled water and then effectively contaminate it with KOH, but yor cells sure look impressive.

I would honestly think that scum will come from both the tap water and the SS. However, once the SS has its oxide coating and the scum is removed after initial conditioning, then maybe the water will remain clear.  The thing is that in reality if a lot of scum comes from the water itself, as the cell has to have its water level continually replenished as it gets used up, then the cell would always scum up to some degree.  However, this might only occur with traditional electrolysis due to the high current flow and may well be less of a problem in a cell working as Meyer's apparently did.

The problem in trying to keep as close to Meyer's designs as possible is that he changes his bloody designs so often.  Every time I see a diagram of Meyer's resonant charging circuit it is different from the last one I saw.  Ok, he could have been improving his design as he went along, but this also means that the cell would have worked with a  number of different parameters just with differing efficiencies.  If this was the case it must be assumed that at least one thing must have remained constant in all these design changes. That would appear to be the pulsing.  If anything I reckon that he continually improved on his VIC to increase the voltage across his cell.

Going back to the oxide dielectric layer, this should very very easy to prove or disprove.  Simply put a capacitance meter across a cell that has been conditioned and compare it to an unconditioned cell. Or, simply test with a small battery and a multimeter. The conditioned cell should pose more opposition to the current than the unconditioned cell with a dc voltage applied.  You can then take it further to eliminate the water as a factor by swapping the water contents of each and testing again. Easy test and the first thing I'll be doing.

Incidentally I'll be using a stabilised 12 volt PC power supply as my dc power source in my initial testing.

HairBear dor you have a link to Lawton's recently updated pdf as I want to make sure I have the correct circuit. Ta.

Farrah Day