Meyer's WFC concept analysed

[Esotericman]

In regards to the idea that water self-ionizes as H2O molecules collide...
As mentioned above, the frequencies we are dealing with is in the ultrasonic range.  Is it possible this is vaporizing the water, as in an ultrasonic humidifier?  Perhaps water ionizes more readily in its gaseous state?  Maybe the bubbles just create sufficient movement within the water to induce self-ionization?

Seems like a stretch I know, but is it possible the effect has no single cause, but merely a convenient combination of several conditions?


Has anyone checked to see if the output from a cell contains water vapor in addition to H and O? 

The other important test is to check the pH of the water in a cell before and after priming the plates.  I'd be curious to see how pure the water really is after this process- maybe the metal gives up some electrolytes to the water during oxidation

[firsthydroman]

Hi, so where did everybody go?
I really enjoyed reading all these posts but they ended in Jan of 08!
Nothing since.
Has anyone gotten the results they were shooting for or did everybody give up?
Did the thread move elsewhere?
If so, please advise.

I too am working on my own version of the WFC and PWM.
I think mine might be better than the lawton circuit.
Doesn't use 555's which are simple timers and are not really made for this kind of application.
Yet another reason many may not be having much success.

Let me know where yall are.

Thanks
Hydroman

[powercat]

Hi firsthydroman Welcome to the forum

HeairBear is here    http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4810.msg101111/topicseen.html#msg101111
Iam looking to buy a Dave Lawton style PWM. 2 sites selling the PWM    http://www.pwmpower.com/  thay all so do a Bob Boyce [PWM
  http://www.vptechno.com/d14PWM.html        But which is the best for my car.?


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[firsthydroman]

Thanks Powercat!
Cool links.

I can probably come up with any design you have in mind.

From what I've seen, unless it has been quite improved, the pwmpower guy doesn't know what he's doing. Pulses all over the place, not square, AC coupled ect. Not impressed with that at all.

Haven't looked at the others yet but I have found some real nice bench top type pulse generators out there. Very pricey but good stuff none the less. Not made for automotive use of course.

An automotive setup, if you are using standard electrolysis, would need to be automated for control of current to the cells and also to turn it on and off automatically. PWM is all that is needed. No need for the other fancy features and flexibility that the so called Lawton circuit provides as it is primarily for research purposes.

I can provide what you need, no problem.
I had developed a system for a different application that is ironically similar to one of Meyer's drivers that uses different chips.

Feel free to have a look at the results of my latest design.
http://hydrogencollective.com/packetpulser1.mpg
You may have to right click and select 'save target as' to view in locally on your PC.
Let me know what you think and feel free to pass it on to others.
I may post it on youtube at some point.

Let me know if I can be of help.

Thanks
Hydroman

P.S. Where did Farrah Day go off to? Did he fall into the abyss? ;-)

[22350]

Hey guys,

This is my first post. Glad to be here.

I have just started researching this subject, so pardon if some of my questions have already been addressed.  I will read and try to find what I can.

I have seen a lot of talk about Stan Meyer's concept .  In the course of these discussions, there has been mention of that dune buggy, which was running on Brown's Gas.  It seems that people are having trouble figuring out how to reproduce Meyer's results, as he is not with us anymore.  My question is:  Wasn't there two guys in that video?  Where are the people where were working with Stan?  Don't they have info to fill in some of the grey areas?

Second,  When you create a vehicle to run exclusively on the HHO gas, is it set up similarly to a vehicle that runs on Natural Gas?

Last,  Is there any guidelines that give us required volumes of gas to run a vehicle?  For example:  3 litre engine needs X amount of HHO gas to operate.  Or, litres of gas per cubic centimeter.

Thanks, guys.

Paul