Meyer's Resonant Charging Circuit Analysed

[Amateur-Scientist]

As to the actual disassociation process, I like to describe it as "bouncing" the molecule.  Granted, it is a simplistic view, but it seems to follow.  If you consider the covalent bond to be elastic, then when it is flexed (or strained), it will "bounce" back past it stable point, and oscillate about that point with a given frequency (albeit, an incredibly tiny frequency).  By pulsing the current as some multiple of this frequency (resonance), you increase the magnitude of the "bounce" exponentially until it breaks.  Conventional electrolysis, by applying constant unidirectional current would dampen the bounce, but move the center of oscillation, until the repulsive force between the hydrogen atoms are sufficient to "pop" the oxygen off.

Meyers in his patent show an electrostatic field across the plates of his capacitor where he discribes the polar charge alignment of water molecules followed by stretching the bond to disassociation (no bouncing or oscillating). The pulses in Meyers circuit seem to help prevent hydrogen rebonding and bifurcated hydrogen bonds. The resonance frequency Meyers talks about seems to be the number of pulse envelopes containing some number of 100us (based on 10kHz in the patent) varying amplitude pulses applied to the capacitor per second.

[Amateur-Scientist]

Seems to me that the term "capacitor" is erroneous.  I mean, clearly it resembles one in form, but in theory, it simply can't be.  In order to split the molecule an electron must be added, liberating one Hydro atom, then en electron must be removed, liberating the other Hydro atom.  Just like in every electrolysis process, the "capacitor" therefore must necessarily leak.  Actually that is the only requirement!  And since, as you say, a stored charge would negate the pulsed input, it should therefore work only as efficiently as running straight DC- which clearly, it does not.  The pulsed electron bombardment clearly improves the effect.

You can "split water" without adding an electron. Here is a link to salt water being disassociated and re-associated by burning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGg0ATfoBgo

Water is Meyers capacitor must not leak as stated in his patent. He is running pulsed DC to his capacitor where he states again in his patent to prevent breakdown and shorting out in non-pure water.

[Esotericman]

Well ok, sure you can split water with high powered microwave radiation.  You can also induce a fusion reaction in a bubble with super high powered lasers.  For that matter, dumping high amounts of energy at most anything will cause its molecular bonds to weaken.  And while that has its place in research, it has little application in any viable energy alternative...

The "Leak" referred to is voltage leak across the dielectric.  As I understand it, that's referred to as capacitor leak.  Water dripping onto a circuit board is "bad craftsmanship."

And the fact that Stan wrote it in his patent application does not make something true.  He had no access to any electron microscopes or comparable imaging equipment, nor is there any record of testing to confirm what was happening inside his WFC.  His descriptions, while detailed, are still conjecture.  All I'm saying is I'm not convinced he fully understood what was happening (nor do I)- we're just trying to analyze it for ourselves...

[Farrah Day]

Blimey, you guys all just seem to be going around in circles here.  How long have these debates and squables been going on while producing no results?

The first thing you must do is decide what water Meyer's was using!  AS, why do you insist it was de-ionised when Meyer, in his videos, clearly states its just tap water, rain or river water???

If it is just tap water, as Meyer says, the dielectric must be the oxide layer that gets deposited on the anode during conditioning or current would flow freely through the cell. Why is this so hard to accept... or at least consider?  If you don't agree with my oxide dielectric then you must assume to use de-ionised water - it costs the same as petrol per litre here in the UK, so unless you're making your own cheaply.... Good luck.

Eso, its 'current leak' across the dielectric - voltage doesn't leak!

Moving on....

There are different ways to wire a bifilar coil depending on what you want to achieve with it. According to Tesla, if constructed carefully and wired correctly, it can be made to act as a tuned LC cct by utilising the capacitance between each coil of wire. Once we apply a frequency at which the capacitive reactance between the coils is equal to the inductive reactance produced by the coils, we have exactly equal current flowing through both. However, at this resonant frequency the current through the inductor will be 180 degrees out of phase with the current through the capacitor.  Hence, the net current drawn by the cct is '0'.  The resistance then of the cct is in theory infinite as would be the voltage.  So, Tesla's bifilar coil in this configuration is effectively a parallel tuned LC circuit employing the capacitance between the coils rather than another physical component. Very clever.

Also according to Tesla, in this configuration the coils can hold thousands of time more charge than a standard inductor can.  So we can produce massive voltages from this bifilar coil.  We now potentially have... great potential!

Farrah Day

[Amateur-Scientist]

AS, why do you insist it was de-ionised when Meyer, in his videos, clearly states its just tap water, rain or river water???

I'm not insisting on anything, I'm just stating what the patents say. To prevent current to flow in the Meyer WFC, patent 4,936.961 used an insulator between the plates so you could use tap water. In another patent (5,149,407), no insulator was used so you would need deionized water to prevent current flow between the plates fo the capacitor.