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Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.

Started by EMdevices, November 12, 2007, 11:49:58 PM

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Rosphere

#50
November 17, 2007, 12:19:31 PM
Quote from: wattsup on November 14, 2007, 12:37:24 AM
@Rosphere

Geez nice work but that's more than a "few" questions. All these would be eventually answered with a diagram.

Just the fact that the system was running longer with the circuit then directly on the charged cap says it's got promise, so let's give EM some room to breath.

@argona369

Can't blame EM for being a realist. He's seen these before only to jump back to say no way. So being the cautious optimist is only the right and responsible thing to do.
Quote from: wattsup on November 17, 2007, 11:28:44 AM
@all

Well I got mine going and the led blinks for about 4 seconds tried reversing the coils and trigger but best result is as stated. Regardless, this is a major step forward for me personally.

I think my coil wires are too big 18 awg, plus the trigger may be to big also. So I just took apart another ready made coil to get another ferrite and will re-wire with smaller wire.

Still do not understand about the 30 turns of two 15 turns. Geez, does this mean two 15 turns in parallel or is the 30 turns bifilar?

These questions should have been resolved before any build.

@wattsup,

This is why I tried to ask as many questions as I could, early on.  Many were answered in subsequent posts but some are still unknown.  This is why I have not started to replicate it, yet.

I really do appreciate EM Devices' contributions here.  He has done a lot of neat things.  However, trying to keep pace with him has proven difficult for me in the past; like chasing a deer through the woods after you have been spotted.  Key questions were unanswered and reproduction of his results with my incomplete or inaccurate replications were unattainable.

I was not happy when it happened to me before.  I am over it now, but wiser.  This is a part time gig for most of us and it is difficult to keep up with so many postings in so many topics, (and some folks here visit other forums as well.)  Time goes by, life brings distractions, we become interested in other avenues of approach, and we move on.

@EM Devices,

No hard feelings, EM, I understand.  If you have some time available, and you are still working on this project, can you please post a top down photo and a photo of the back side of that toroid?

I would really like to have a go at this.  It looks interesting, (even if it is just a capacitor relaxer circuit.)   :)

Thank you,
Rosphere

duff

#51
November 17, 2007, 01:28:16 PM
Guys -

Just wind 40 turns for you collector. I'm not sure why EM made stated 2 coils of 20 turns each. I guess he will clairify this at some point.

One 40 turn winding will work.

How you connect the winding is important. Look at EM's drawing.
It show the trigger being wound opposite the collector and recapture.

If you wind them all in the same direction and then reverse the connections on the trigger it will work.

I used #22 & #24 wire - worked fine. It appears EM used larger wire.


I've found if you leave a regulated supply or battery connected to the 1000uF cap the oscillator is  very stable (1/100).

When mine is running off the cap then the osc starts at 6.9Hz and slowly floats upward for 14 minutes and ending at 7.32 Hz.


-Duff

BEP

#52
November 17, 2007, 02:21:39 PM
If you look at the photo EM posted you'll see the initial winding consists of a trifilar(3 conductor) wind. The colors are white, black and blue. He then has an added pickup coil at the top. I make it out as seven turns of magnet wire - center-tapped.(the solder blob) I believe he said part of the above was not connected in the final circuit.

So he is probably only using two conductors of the trifilar winding.




hansvonlieven

#53
November 17, 2007, 04:26:04 PM
Quote from: duff on November 17, 2007, 01:28:16 PM

When mine is running off the cap then the osc starts at 6.9Hz and slowly floats upward for 14 minutes and ending at 7.32 Hz.


-Duff



Fascinating, 7.32 Hz   SCHUMANN RESONANCE !!!!

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

Bruce_TPU

#54
November 17, 2007, 06:36:01 PM
Well I built my EM replication today...

I used 17 winds each bifilar for the control and 9 winds for the trigger.  Wire was 20 gauge, silver plated.  I could only get 1 minute 15 seconds for the LED to blink after power was removed.  I repeated this test four times, using a stop watch.  During that time, my collector of three turns around the diameter of the ferrite using #22 stranded, showed just over 1 volt AC when the power was disconnected.Adding the collector was just an idea I had.

I am now rewinding my mini toroid with magnet wire, 20 gauge, more turns and see if I can increase the time.

Cheers,
Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.
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