Magnet Motor Recent Patent Application

[Pirate88179]

@nightlife:

No, I respectfully disagree.  For example, if you came up with a working design and published it here, and it was replicated by many, and, possibly improved by some...then, to my understanding (another reason I don't believe in patents) someone would have to not only sue you, they would have to defend their patent against all who "jumped" it.  If they could only afford to sue three of us, and there were like 100, then, their patent would be declared void as they did not defend it against everyone.  So, and Shruggedatlas hopefully may give us her opinion on this, I think there is hope.  The more people that build, use, and sell the device in question, the more expensive it would be to defend the patent.  This is also why I think the system is stacked against the lone inventor.  I believe Shrugged said that the average patent suit averages about $2,000,000.00 (USD)  Good luck for someone to attempt to file 100 suits.  Just my opinion based upon what a patent attorney told me once.

Bill

[hansvonlieven]

G'day nightlife,

Open Source is the answer to these scams.

Perhaps not as lucrative to the inventor as a patent but even the scam merchants cannot sue thousands of people everywhere that are using open source technology no matter what their claims.

Take heart, in this regard we are on the right track!

Hans von Lieven

[Omnibus]

G'day Omnibus,

Have another look at the first post of mine about the Jesse McQueen patent. (referenced above in this thread) This is typical in a lot of applications of that ilk. It would be almost impossible to patent ANY overunity device without listing his patent as a prior since, it is nearly all encompassing. Any device launched by you or me that works can immediately be challenged with this patent alone.

This is exactly the reason I brought it up in the first place.

I have no idea how to fix this, this system seems to be very entrenched at the moment and there are a lot of vested interests one must trample on just to state one's case.

Hans von Lieven

That's exactly why this person must be forced by the US Patent Office to demonstrate the viability of what he was granted a patent for. As a matter of fact, I don't think any of these patents for perpetuum mobile's, even the ones describing workable devices, can be sustained in the long run. These ideas have been known for centuries. There's nothing new there. The new thing is that USA is behind something which Science as we know it considers nonsense. This is serious. No one can play with the USA and belittle what it has decided to protect. The fact is dramatic--as of today, according to the USA perpetuum mobile is possible and any scientist who says it isn't is putting himself or herself in opposition to what this major world power has decided to protect. For known reasons I for one, however, happen to be on the side of Uncle Sam on this and not because it has happened so that patents have been granted by mistake and I'm using this fact to pounce on the non-believers. Just the opposite. It's because there will be some legitimate perpetuum mobile's out there which fact will be uncovered for the Science to see once US Patent Office takes proper actions. Now, having Uncle Sam involved, patentees cannot hide behind corporate secrecies and NDA's, neither can they play pranks such as Mike's phony claim to have reproduced Bedini's device or disappear without a trace as Danny form Ohio, Torbay, couple of Canadians, etc. etc.

[nightlife]

Good point's but what if someone has and or creates a patent or copyright and they find one of us and or 100+ of us with one and or find out that we have, bought, sold, leased and or even gave one away, wouldn't that fall under a copyright infringement and possibly get us thrown in jail?

If it could get us in trouble, wouldn?t it be risky to even mention a idea to anyone? I would hate to get anyone in trouble over something I thought of and or something I hear of and told someone else about.

  It is getting to the point were we are all just slaves for the rich and our government and the only way to succeed is to lie, cheat, steal and take advantage of people like our rich and governments do.

I do know there are members here from other country's and I cant say the same about their governments but I would like to know if something could be done in other county's and if so, which ones and how can we do it?

[jeffc]

@nightlife:

No, I respectfully disagree.  For example, if you came up with a working design and published it here, and it was replicated by many, and, possibly improved by some...then, to my understanding (another reason I don't believe in patents) someone would have to not only sue you, they would have to defend their patent against all who "jumped" it.  If they could only afford to sue three of us, and there were like 100, then, their patent would be declared void as they did not defend it against everyone.  So, and Shruggedatlas hopefully may give us her opinion on this, I think there is hope.  The more people that build, use, and sell the device in question, the more expensive it would be to defend the patent.  This is also why I think the system is stacked against the lone inventor.  I believe Shrugged said that the average patent suit averages about $2,000,000.00 (USD)  Good luck for someone to attempt to file 100 suits.  Just my opinion based upon what a patent attorney told me once.

Bill

If we are still talking about the application Hans originally posted, then there's a long road ahead for that potental patent, and if the USPTO decides it is perpetual motion then it will be denied.  Also, unless there is a big company behind this patent, many inventors are just looking to settle these things via licensing agreement (% of your revenue for selling a product using the technology). 

So if you guys think this thing could work, why not give it a chance and build it?  It'll probably be a year before it would ever be granted a patent (IF EVER), and given that time, a new model could be designed based on same principles but with different configuration which wouldn't violate the patent (if it is granted).

Patents aren't complete dead ends for the opensource efforts.  In reality, it is hard (and should be impossible!) to patent a whole idea or scientific principle.  So if we can figure out the principles behind an invention like this, and build it in a significantly different way then it would not be an infrindgement on the patent.

Regards,
jeffc