SMOT TEST- can someone do this?

[ken_nyus]

This looks promesing, but there is one big mistake:

The SMOT is placed too close to the staring point. This will give the ball a "free lunch" as the inventor are using energy to put the ball inside the attractive forces of the magnet configuration.
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Vidar

Good catch, so the hand placing the ball in that start position, when the SMOT is there, has already preloaded the ball with extra potential.

[Low-Q]

This looks promesing, but there is one big mistake:

The SMOT is placed too close to the staring point. This will give the ball a "free lunch" as the inventor are using energy to put the ball inside the attractive forces of the magnet configuration.
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Vidar

Good catch, so the hand placing the ball in that start position, when the SMOT is there, has already preloaded the ball with extra potential.

You're correct

[Mr.Entropy]

It works the other way, I'm afraid.Ã,  There is less potential energy in the ball when it is closer to the magnets, and when you move the ball towards the entrance, the ball does work on you, not the other way around.

Cheers,

Mr. Entropy

[Low-Q]

@Mr.Entropy

Partly correct. Imagine this:

The ball is far from the SMOT. The ball is then attracted to the SMOT but attracted to the magnetic lines which is going from the magnets outside north to outside south.

When the ball reach a certain point, the magnetic density is greater behind the ball than in front of it due to lack of density where the magnetic lines are going directly from north to south separately on each magnet. Not all magnetic lines are crossing both magnets. That does not happen before you got further in between the magnets.

Before that, the ball reach a neutral position - because north and south inside the SMOT is orientated in the oposite direction than on the outside of the magnets, which means neutralization -, and THEN further in the ball is attracted to the greater density which is BETWEEN the magnets. See?

The greatest density is somewhere right before the SMOTs exit, where the exactly same thing happen, but in shorter time, greater force, and shorter distance as the magnets are closer there.

The sum of the forces over the covered distance before and after the magnets in the SMOT will therefor equals to zero. See?

So the inventor probably, by accident, gave the ball a free lunch by avoiding the area where the ball is forced backwards.

Here is a picture showing that steel ball is attracted to the greater magnetic density behind it, right before it enters the SMOT:



Vidar

[Omnibus]

Stop cluttering this and other threads with your confusion. As I said learn some physics first, understand, for instance, the difference between force and energy (don't just say you understand it, you don't) and only then allow yourself to discuss these matters.