Muller Dynamo

[Magneticitist]

BiDa!! whats up brother =)


ok i just wanted to say something.. im not a "doubter" or "naysayer" but just what i feel to be a logical thinker.. i am as intrigued as everyone else about the Muller design..

BUT i fail to see any comprehensive explanation as to how Lenz is being "beaten". i have not seen one single comment that makes sense regarding the Lenz.  this is the enemy.. reduce the cogging between the cores and magnets only does so much...

spin a rotor 10krpm and hold a strong magnet near it.. no it will not slow down that much.. lenz is another story. lenz grabs hands rather than slapping them.

so.. how the hell is lenz being beaten? so far i only see lenz being reduced via biasing magnets because less load is being drawn from the coils, so less lenz..

of course experimentation in all possible aspects is the right way to do it, and not just fore-go testing because of pre-established inconsistency. make it, and test it. thats the way to go sure..
but so far all the tests ive seen share the same results.. Lenz is once again the "Overunity Killer".

does anyone have any ideas as to how Romero's or any other replication truly gets around this?

[e2matrix]

free,  nice motor builds there.  Glad to see you are interested in this one. 

Magneticitist, IMO just one word - tuning.  I think there will be a fine point where one hits the 'sweet spot' as Romero hinted at that will bring the results we seek.  It's a thin line to find and why he said it took so long to tune. 

[Magneticitist]

^ ok i can agree thats somewhat of an acceptable ideology.. i mean "sweet spots" and "resonance" are certainly factors that can raise eyebrows.. offer very distinct and precise changes to a circuit.. sometimes very hard to find these spots..

BUT.. what does that really mean? what is really being envisioned here when one locates this spot? at the end of the day i look at friction and force, no matter the form, being counterparts to a necessary existence.
to say that lenz does not occur is to say no current is being induced, from what i have seen.

so if we are indeed finding some type of Spot.. what is happening there?
do poles get flipped? poles are "not seen" i mean what?

in the past i have noticed that i could gather small amounts of current from gen coils without any slowing of the rotor, but it was so little it would take way too many of the same coils to equal a unity. not enough space.
but i think maybe we can use the same idea and with the help of some magnets "get a little more" without any of the lenz kicking in. this really makes no sense to me because at any level current should equal lenz, but ive seen it.. so i dont know..

at any rate i just feel like if we are confident what we are seeing is real and accurate, then maybe its time to really start thinking "WHY" that is. so far its all been talks of cogging and anti cogging of the cores. i dont get that.
if romeros motor was absent of gen coils i dont he would be having too many problems regarding the core cogging. it wouldnt matter so much i dont think.. may make a little noise.. wont spin down for as long, but once reaching high speeds it should have no problem turning. its the lenz that he needed to get around just like everyone else.

so is he using an arrangement where his gen coils are being shorted with a switch? is he not? how are the magnets actually allowing him to generate 3A worth of current without Lenz slowing it down?

as i said i tried a lot of arrangements trying to figure this out and all i could see is a reduction or increase in the rate at which the coil can induct in relation to the spinning rotor. it makes sense.
its just like tuning your bedini or joule thief by adding a magnet to the core. depending on the polarity u are using to influence you are changing the core (inductance?, permeability?, hysteresis?) so that it either allows more or less current through it during a pulse.

so even if you are influencing a gen coil so that it does not slow the rotor under heavy load, that load as it turns out may not be so heavy.. rather, the load is present but not "being loaded" to the extent that it would had the magnet not been there to influence it.

[Tudi]

maybe those huge gaps between rotor magnets and the coil shorting combination ? Huge gap should reduce the amount of generated power = reduce cogging + reduce lenz drag. More like the rotor is only a signal generator and then take the coil shorting tehnique to boost the gain considerably ? ( i'm new so i can only imagine coil shorting tehnique )

[altair]

I have been following this thread from the beginning, and although I'm not making a replication, I follow your progress with great attention.
I just want to mention that in the interest of preventing suppression of knowledge, if some of you are able to create a self-runner, please refrain from posting immediately "the great news" for all the world to see. And most importantly, do not post a video on Youtube... YET !

Rather, take the time to fine-tune your generator, and then make a pdf of ALL the information necessary to reproduce this generator, including drawings with exact dimensions, materials used, complete winding details, part numbers, pictures, etc...

THEN, when you have everything ready, post the info package.

We have all seen what can happen with premature release of information, so for the benefit of EVOLUTION of mankind, it is of the utmost importance to take the steps that will prevent suppression of information. For example, Penno's post saying "It's bigger than you think, guys... A few more tests..."  is like an open invitation to the suppressors to pay him a visit. If he had waited a couple more days and posted a complete replication info package, he probably wouldn't have had to answer the door in the middle of the night.  (OK, this is just an assumption of what could have happened to explain his disappearance, but you get the point.)

Everyone replicating this, bears a great responsibility towards the implementation of clean power generation, within a reasonable timespan on this earth. I know, it's a hobby, but we (still) can't count on industry to do the R&D on this, they either don't get it, or if they do, they quickly get stopped.

This is not a race to be the first to claim a self-runner, it is a race against TPB who, up to now have always won, and made us their slaves.
We just have to be careful not to give them any chance at all. It's called prevention.

OK, off my soapbox now.  Jeeez, just one beer and I get all light-headed.
I won't do that again, promise. 

Altair