Muller Dynamo

[plengo]

There is a problem with your scope probes. You are only reading one of the coils voltage, hence the unbalanced scope shot.

To accurately measure different parts of the circuit you need to isolate one channel of the scope.

I addressed some solutions to this in an article in Syscomp...

http://www.syscompdesign.com/AppNotes/current-measurement.pdf

I hope this link takes you there... if not look under app notes, customer applications and circuits.

Ron

I am measuring the voltage across both coils which is what the FWBR sees it. Please take a look at the picture again (I changed it a few minutes after my first post).

Fausto.

[mondrasek]

I have been playing with all sorts of gaps. This particular video is 3 mm bottom and 5mm top.

Fausto, if you have different gaps (and similar coils) then the voltage out of each coil will be different.  This will cause a conventional "electromagnetic theory" based current to flow as expected since the closest coil will have a larger Vout which will overcome the opposing current of the other coil (which will have a lower Vout) created by the passing rotor magnets.

The condition I described above results in a normal generator.

Only when the voltage of individual coils in each pair are very exactly matched for their individual Vout can they be cancelling normal current flow (if in series, bucking, AND if the resistance in each coil is the same).

If you tune to the above requirements you will not have conventional current flow anymore.  BUT, current WILL flow!  That is what amazed me with my testing!  Because if no conventional current can flow (and yet current DOES flow) the measurable current must be from somewhere other than the understood "classical" electromagnetic based circuit theory.

If you have already tried this and have moved on, I am sorry for interupting.

M.

[xenomorphlabs]

Fausto, if you have different gaps (and similar coils) then the voltage out of each coil will be different.  This will cause a conventional "electromagnetic theory" based current to flow as expected since the closest coil will have a larger Vout which will overcome the opposing current of the other coil (which will have a lower Vout) created by the passing rotor magnets.

The condition I described above results in a normal generator.

Only when the voltage of individual coils in each pair are very exactly matched for their individual Vout can they be cancelling normal current flow (if in series, bucking, AND if the resistance in each coil is the same).

If you tune to the above requirements you will not have conventional current flow anymore.  BUT, current WILL flow!  That is what amazed me with my testing!  Because if no conventional current can flow (and yet current DOES flow) the measurable current must be from somewhere other than the understood "classical" electromagnetic based circuit theory.

If you have already tried this and have moved on, I am sorry for interupting.

M.

If your ampmeter measures it, it IS current.
Only if it would show zero and you could light a lightbulb with it, you would
know that it is time-reversed energy flow/negative energy.

A possible explanation for the yellow waveform could be found in Naudin's bucking coil experiments.
He experimentally found that bucking coils do swallow the ON-time field but for some reason emit an OFF-time field, which cannot be easily explained.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/bifvsbuk.htm

That being said, maybe that strange behaviour is what gives the rotor magnets a push and prevents a TDC pull ...

[mondrasek]

If your ampmeter measures it, it IS current.

I agree 100%.  In this state there is a measureable (scope and DMM) current.  But classical electromagnetic theory does not allow for this, right?

So I believe here in lies the "magic".

The current that should now be "impossible" by everything taught in standard electromagnetics is NOT impossible.  But the electrons that are flowing and are creating this measurable curent must come from somewhere, right?

Personally, I must lean toward ZPE.  Albert Einstein came up with that, btw.  It is a way to correct "classical" electromagnetic theory (everything we are taught in school) for the fact that every electromagnetic wave propagation speed MUST be limited by the Speed Of Light.

Classical EM theory ignores the propagation speed of those fields and says they happen instantaneously.  And that theory works quite well to predict the expected results from circuits that we design.

But classical EM theory does not specify this well enough (imho):  Zero V (ground) is just a reference.  It is not an absolute.  This is easily seen by anyone who recognises that we have + and - voltage wrt ground.  AC proves that every cycle!

So what if what we refere to as "ground" is actually at 1000V above "absolute zero potential V"?

That would mean that the 1000V that is all around us is the ZPE.

M.

[xenomorphlabs]

I agree 100%.  In this state there is a measureable (scope and DMM) current.  But classical electromagnetic theory does not allow for this, right?

So I believe here in lies the "magic".

The current that should now be "impossible" by everything taught in standard electromagnetics is NOT impossible.  But the electrons that cause that current must come from somewhere, right?

Personally, I must lean toward ZPE.  Albert Einstein came up with that, btw.  It is a way to correct "classical" electromagnetic theory (everything we are taught in school) for the fact that every electromagnetic wave propagation speed MUST be limited by the Speed Of Light.

Classical EM theory ignores the propagation speed of those fields and says they happen instantaneously.  And that theory works quite well to predict the expected results from circuits that we design.

But classical EM theory does not specify this well enough (imho):  Zero V (ground) is just a reference.  It is not an absolute.  This is easily seen by anyone who recognises that we have + and - voltage wrt ground.  AC proves that every cycle!

So what if what we refere to as "ground" is actually at 1000V above "absolute zero potential V"?

That would mean that the 1000V that is all around us is the ZPE.

M.

Unfortunately there is no easily accessable literature on bucking coils.
Naudin's experiment shows that bucking coils do not cancel their individual fields like a true bifilar rather they cancel their mutual individual fields to Zero.
So in each individual coil there is current.
Naudin picked up a magnetic field with his pickup coil on the OFF-pulse.
So something obviously happens then that results NOT in a cancellation of the fields, something is biasing the fields in that phase or injects a current into the coils that causes the measured magnetic field. It could be nature's reaction to
something that isn't supposed to be (current cancellation)

It needs to be mentioned that Naudin pulsed the coils and in the Muller generator the coils are magnetically induced though.

I tend to explain (Hypothesis) that with an overshooting of one of the biasing magnets (probably the physically closer or stronger one) after the fields have been compressed, resulting in a net positive current. See Dragone, Kunel,Magnacoaster etc.

The effect needs to be asymmetric to have a current in at least one direction.