Muller Dynamo

[mondrasek]

@Mondrasek

Hi,  There is a problem with your perfectly sounding explanation above IF and WHEN you enter the rotor magnets between the two facing cores and ALSO when you use the backing magnets on the outer side of the core.

The problem can come from the unequal air gaps between a rotor magnet and the lower or upper cores: if the two gaps are not equal the induced voltage in the two coils must be different. 
Supposing you adjust the airgaps to be equal, then the strength of the backing magnets may be different just due to adjusting the magnets position wrt the cores.  This can also alter the coils self-inductance (you do not adjust these backing magnets for equal coil inductances, do you).

A good observation that once you still measure or normally indicate output current with the usual current meter it must be a conventional current.
Unconventional current (some call it 'cold'  current) is not supposed to be measured or even indicated by normal current meters, the presence of such current could be indicated by an incandescent lamp as other stated.

Gyula

Gyula, thanks a hundred times for all your help to me on this project as well as your selfless assistance to all those here who seek knowledge.

I have no backing magnets in place on my current test setup.

Please help me figure out what this phenom is.  I value your input more that I think you know.

M.

[neptune]

Hi Mo . I already shut down once tonight , but re-booted to suggest this . You need to find a local Amateur Radio person . There may be an Amateur club local to you . or you may have noticed someone who has loads of big unusual antennas . Such a person will have an RF sniffer [an SWR/power meter would do ] and ideally , a digital frequency counter . He or she will know how to use these to tell you if Radio Frequency power is being radiated , and the exact frequency . Let us know how you get on .Ok , I am shutting down for tonight .

[xenomorphlabs]

@Kone, I am sorry that I truncated your post.  But what you said here is exactly what I am finding to be true.

If you have a top and bottom coil that is not exactly matched wrt o/p power then the coil with the greatest o/p power will "win/rule" and push the appropriate conventional current to the load.

If the individual coils in each pair are matched, the conventional current CANNOT FLOW!  This is because each coil will be pushing equal and opposite currents (which = ZERO current).  So the currents from each coil in a pair will effectively cancel themselves.

But (please, please, please) match the individual coils in each pair exactly.  Do this by wrapping the same length of wire into each coil (NOT NUMBER OF TURNS!  Do it by measuring the length).  Do this by inserting the same type of core material into each coil until they read exactly the same on an inductance meter.

And then notice this:  Even though your set up should not be able to provide current (both coils in series, bucking, right?) it WILL provide current.  And that current must come from somewhere other than our EM theory has taught us.

M.

This experiment reveals some interesting qualities of magnetism.
I am experimenting with a single generator coil bifilar connected at one end.
The inductance is zero. It "sees" only a North pole passing by from the rotor.
I can not measure any voltage or current coming out of this coil, also not with series caps.
Technically it is a current cancelling 180 out of phase situation just like with tho
opposed bucking coils, just that those see a North and a South pole "inbetween" them.

I am pretty sure that my coil is close to perfect cancellation where the bucking coils are prone to so many deviations including distance to rotor, slight angle variations and the effects of the magnets.
Maybe the "wanted" effect is really like Kone describes to have still an inequality and the coils struggling with each other until one wins and maybe in a winning wrestling slam it adds a bit extra.

Any thoughts on that?

Looks like a have to construct a different rotor where i can pick up Norths and Souths to continue.

[mondrasek]

Hi Mo . I already shut down once tonight , but re-booted to suggest this . You need to find a local Amateur Radio person . There may be an Amateur club local to you . or you may have noticed someone who has loads of big unusual antennas . Such a person will have an RF sniffer [an SWR/power meter would do ] and ideally , a digital frequency counter . He or she will know how to use these to tell you if Radio Frequency power is being radiated , and the exact frequency . Let us know how you get on .Ok , I am shutting down for tonight .

I Hope you have a very refreshing sleep.

Thanks again for all your help.

M.

PS.  Hide Park?

[mondrasek]

This experiment reveals some interesting qualities of magnetism.
I am experimenting with a single generator coil bifilar connected at one end.
The inductance is zero. It "sees" only a North pole passing by from the rotor.
I can not measure any voltage or current coming out of this coil, also not with series caps.
Technically it is a current cancelling 180 out of phase situation just like with tho
opposed bucking coils, just that those see a North and a South pole "inbetween" them.

I am pretty sure that my coil is close to perfect cancellation where the bucking coils are prone to so many deviations including distance to rotor, slight angle variations and the effects of the magnets.
Maybe the "wanted" effect is really like Kone describes to have still an inequality and the coils struggling with each other until one wins and maybe in a winning wrestling slam it adds a bit extra.

Any thoughts on that?

Looks like a have to construct a different rotor where i can pick up Norths and Souths to continue.

@X, I am THRILLED to see you going in this direction.

What you are describing is DEFINITELY another way to get a ZPEC set up.

In the R-ZPEC, you have two coils opposing each other so that no conventional current can flow (yet measurable current DOES flow).

Your coil with current cancelling as you describe is THE SAME THING!

Congrats.

M.

PS.  I believe what @X is showing now is the coil config from RomeroUK's "coil shorting causes RPM increase" video.

In that video RomeroUK wound two electrical current cancelling wraps on a single coil.

In the R-ZPEC RomeroUK wound two separate current canceling coils in each pair:  One on top cancelling one on the bottom.

M.