Muller Dynamo

[wings]

@minde4000,

it could be true what you are saying but this single thread and some other ones are showing great progress. Who would even imagine that Lenz law can be delayed? Do they teach that in academia? I know some one shown a video from MIT that can explain this but this is not really thought.

It is thought a immutable law which we are proving to be incomplete. More we work on this more we will crack this.

Saying it does not work or it is impossible is useless and easy. So, let's get our hands dutty.

And BTW, this thread is still monitored by me and I will still change unrelated or negative comments.

Fausto.

ps: great video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QziS_o6gSnQ&feature=uploademail

The (motor) rotor speed, combined with the number of magnets on the rotor, determines coil current frequency, and plays a very important initial role, because the inductive reactance (XL) of the generating coil increases with frequency. As a consequence, the current phase angle will be greater for a higher frequency coil output than a lower frequency coil output, into the same given load. The acceleration effect will occur at a lower rotor rpm when using high impedance pick up coils than the rpm required when using low impedance pick up coils."

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11009.msg291208#msg291208

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http://www.totallyamped.net/adams/index.html

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http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3842.msg288038#msg288038

[konehead]

the accleration of rotor with load you can "debunk" by saying you already have a great loss in rpms because of the ferrous core in the single generator coil,
and all that you have done is cancel-out or reduce the cogging of the cores against the rotor magnets so its a "no-gainer"
but it certainly is good way to put the output of the generator coils into a load as compared to the normal ultra-lugging method of jsut jamming the generator coils into load and making rotor rotor slow horrible...
what do you think the effeciency of normal way is in Mariusivics video jsut as example? comparing the input watts to output watts with no speed up? probalby around 10% effeciency - say 2 watts out and 20 watts in when it rotates very slow becaseu of the extreme lugging? (just guessing but somethign like this I bet)

Whats the effeciency with the speed up happenieng? mabye 5 watts out and 10 watts in? 50% or so (jsut guessing) but this is GOOD is it not...over double the effeciency so why complain.


And no reason you wont get same acceleratio say with 9 exaclty the same  high impedance "accelerating" coils against those same 8 magnets.. and it will make the acceleration effect  X 9 too - and because its a SPINNING GENRATOR, when you get more rpms you get more power....

with the 9coils vs 8 mags, you now have no "inital cogging" too to debunk with - this is the point I want to make that others are making too - single coil testing, or non-cogging coils vs mag setup you get a lot of cogging to "overcome" and so any accelration under load or short will be "attributed" to cancelling this cogging - and no gain/overuinty  too....

BUT step up into the odd vs even no-cogging configuration and and whole new ball game and its all good.

[mariuscivic]

Hi guys!
I found an usefull thing (maybe you did too so if you did please ignore this)
Every time i connect i diferent load to the same gen coil, i have to adjust the position of the hall sensor for best output under load

[plengo]

Hi guys!
I found an usefull thing (maybe you did too so if you did please ignore this)
Every time i connect i diferent load to the same gen coil, i have to adjust the position of the hall sensor for best output under load

Great observation. I noticed that in my setup too, but in my case I had too many parameters changing so I could not relate the effect. I think you are correct and Romero also said he had some magnets on the perimeter of the rotor for timing and later stopped using. I guess it has to do with the load being different.

Great finding.

Fausto.

[plengo]

Two very good post at the EF: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7982-muller-generator-replication-romerouk-54.html#post156278

and

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7982-muller-generator-replication-romerouk-54.html#post156298


copy below:

Toranarod said:
I took some data yesterday of a basic setup. I will use that.

I recorded a speed of 4728 RPM and some lenz drag efficacy was present at that velocity.

At 4728 RPM and a rotor diameter of 200 millimeters. We have a surface tip speed. of 178 Kmh. this then calculates to 49511 mm a second. the Magnets are closer in but for now leave it at that.

My hole coil had a Diameter of 50mm. How long did it take for the coil to pass the magnet? There are other factors here to, how far is it before it's out of range of the magnetic fields effect.

pass speed 1.01 milliseconds do we agree?

If you get different figures Please correct me.

using the LR time constant L= 3.94mH / 1.32 Ohm = 2.98 milliseconds to 63%
magnetic field.

this seem to be right because there was a reduction of Lenz at this RPM

Now what about the core?

and

Elias said:

@Everyone

I think that I found out another secret to this machine.

The first secret is to take advantage of the time lag of current inside the coil.
The second secret is to take advantage of the time lag of the voltage rising on the charging capacitor.

The generator voltage on the coils is perfect for charging capacitors, because it rises like a sine slope. See this paper: http://www.overunity.de/index.php?ac...downfile&id=70, There is a time delay for a capactor to charge namely R*C, if you respect that slope, then you have charged your capacitor with minimum current, if you try to charge the capacitor faster than that rate you will only use up current as wasted energy. It is that simple.

The best design would be to choose a capacitor that can be charged faster than the rise of the sine wave. Lets see if Romeros design fits this analogy:

The resistance of one coil ~ 0.7 ohms
The total resistance ~ 0.7*2/7 = 0.2 ohms
The capacitor ~ 47000 uF

time delay for charging the capacitor = RC = 47000 * 0.2 = 9.4 msec

One RC is the time that is required for the voltage to rise up to about 60%.

Now Romero has 8 magnets on his rotor, each magnet passes the coil at about 6.25 msec, So as you can see the capacitor can charge with 1 or 2 magnets passing by, also it takes advantage of the coil time lag, because charging a capacitor with low voltage is approximately like shorting the coils.

I think that the DC-DC converter acts like a pulsing mechanism for the cap. Normally DC- DC converters operate by a buck-boost method, in which an inductor is pulsed, to raise the voltage level.

With these concepts in mind, it is becoming obvious how this device operates.

Elias

EDIT: Found a perfect analogy for this: consider that you are watching a youtube video that is loading slower than the rate of the video, then you will encounter resistance, and waste of time and choppy video, but If the video loads faster than the rate of it, then you can watch it smoothly, without any "resistance".
That is exactly how we should charge capacitors, we must respect the rate at which it wants to charge, then it will charge with no current. If we charge it too fast we will waste energy, and if we charge too slow, we do not use the full potential of the system.

Fausto.