Power ratio over one

[handyguy1]

Hay Wattsup:

You are right the first drawing is the easyest to follow!

David

[wattsup]

@Stefan

The way the first drawing is shown considering that all micro contact levers are up. This is not possible in reality because one pair is up and the other is down. But this diagram is when you do the wiring before you install the swing, so all contacts levers are up, hence the commons connect with the normally closed terminals. The normally open is not contacting. Maybe this is what is causing your confusion.

@HG

Gotcha covered.

I am curious if you ever tried to simply connect the drive coil, one generator coil and a capacitor in parallel. This means three connections together (one of each) and three connections together (the other of each). and gave the swing a few pushes, just to see what it will do. This would be the first basic test towards a self-runner.

[handyguy1]

Hay Wattsup:

Here is my update; I hooked everything up as suggested. There is a considerable amount of resistance. I believe due to the caps discharging to fast. I put my meter to the caps and found continuity at all the caps. My first thought is that I have a short some were and probably messed up one or two of the wires. I took it all apart, reassembled it and had the same results. So I decided to wire the device back to my original configuration and put the caps in one at a time.

The good news is that when I put the meter to the NC terminal wires to check for continuity, I found the back EMF! The back EMF only comes from the NC on the #12 A and AA switches, at about 1.2-volts and 50 mA. I shorted the wires together and it had no effect on the device! I then hooked the wires to the input terminals and it didn?t have to much effect. I tried to charge a cap and the cap bleeds off right away. I put in a diode and it still bleeds off right away. I put a diode on both sides and it still bleed off right away. I will have to try that again.

Then I hooked the NC wires to my secondary device and that worked great, with no bad effects to the primary device. However, the DC back EMF only pulses the magnets in the secondary device one way, but it still lights up the 36 volts of LEDs.

Well I just had to tell you that finding and capturing the back EMF is a big step forward. I am ecstatic about that! I will fill you in as I find out more!

David

[wattsup]

@HG

Sorry to have taken so long to respond to your post as I  have been absorbed by the EC trials. Great that you have done those tests and I think I know why it is doing what it is doing as suspected. Let me see this for another day and I will come back with some changes, but in general, I think under the proposed self-running diagram, the four micro contacts would have to be stacked two by two and only on one side of the swing, so that when the swing is up, it hits two contacts and when it is down, it hits two contacts. By adjusting the levers so the swing contacts them only at the last moment, either up or down, this would leave the main travel between the top and bottom position free, and this is when the Cap #1 would be charged, without the other caps being on line. What do yo think?

[wattsup]

@HG

If you try the Self-Runner 1 again, remove cap #1. Or, if you have your original set-up just add two caps, one going from the top left cap NC to the top right NC, and the other going from the bottom left NC to the bottom right NC. Finding the right caps will be the key to get the right one that can take in and push out at the right speed to complement the magnets physical movement.

Those 3 and 4 pounds of pure raw coil are producing some good power so if you try this, you may need to put a resistor on the drive coil. I would say at least 750 ohms 1/2 amp but some here would know more about that. I am sure Stefan will know.

Also, if you do this test, please try to described exactly what is happening so we can get a good understanding of the dynamics under those conditions.