Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??

[dean_mcgowan]

@dean_mcgowan,

As for the spinning by adding external energy, while it?s not the effect claimed, it can give an estimate of the energy produced from within should we be able to observe the acceleration seen in the video. A rotor of a given mass and form requires only a strictly set amount of energy to spin at a certain rpm. Thus if we observe spinning of that rotor at such rpm with no input of energy then we will know the exact amount of energy out of nothing obtained (if the effect seen in the video is real). Call knowing the external energy necessary to spin the rotor at given rpm calibration. Spinning by adding external energy also gives a picture of the behavior of the machine?s various parts and that sometimes may give hints what direction to follow in search of the effect.

I think you miss my point with regard to the fact the magnets would be acting to contribute a breaking effect to the system as opposed to an acceleratory (if there is such a word) force as seen in Al's model and that I believe may be a rather different anomaly and would exhibit different attributes. Something akin to advancing the timing on a distributor.. though i know little about cars also.

Still cannot comprehend why an individual would want to stand in the way or refuse to support a development such as this. I can think of different motivations, however they don't really match the character profiles displayed by the co inventors.

[Esa Maunu]

@Esa Maunu,

No, that's not only far-fetched but outright impossible. Radiation, if we can speak of initial charging at all, amounts to loss of energy, not gain.

I am talking about the shape of the created pattern, that is able to collect energy from the environment, if that pattern is in a correct form.

Esa

[Omnibus]

@dean_mcgowa,

Again, there are no co-inventors. @overconfident has in fact no role in this. If real, credi should go solely to @alsetalokin. These ideas aren?t new. New would be to have someone produce a working model in flesh and blood. That?s the real contribution.

As for the reasons for @alsetalokin?s strange behavior, he has given explanations (mostly revolving around his employer and his paycheck), there have been various speculations. Undoubtedly, he has damaged his reputation beyond repair. However, that?s not the issue. The issue is whether or not this effect is real and can be reproduced. This machine should be analyzed as is, the character issues being outside of the factors having anything to do with its functioning.

As for the point you?re making, you?re right that the effect, if real, would be due to reasons other than the reasons why a rotor would spin due to external energy input. However, that a disc of a given mass and form must have only a certain amount of energy imparted to it in order to spin at a given rpm is an undeniable fact. That fact won?t change no matter how the observed rpm were reached and what attributes were achieved in accomplishing said rotation.

[Omnibus]

@Esa Maunu,

No, that's not only far-fetched but outright impossible. Radiation, if we can speak of initial charging at all, amounts to loss of energy, not gain.

I am talking about the shape of the created pattern, that is able to collect energy from the environment, if that pattern is in a correct form.

Esa

Unless you propose a concrete model, that sounds frivolous.

[Esa Maunu]

@Esa Maunu,

No, that's not only far-fetched but outright impossible. Radiation, if we can speak of initial charging at all, amounts to loss of energy, not gain.

I am talking about the shape of the created pattern, that is able to collect energy from the environment, if that pattern is in a correct form.

Esa

Unless you propose a concrete model, that sounds frivolous.

It is a question of the nested, cylindrical EM fields around the device, that are able to collect charges from the environment. Every inner cylindrical EM field is little closer than the next outer field. When phase changes in a field, the charge moves towards the center of the system. To create such a fields, we need to have a prime numbers ( 1, 3, 5, 7 etc ) of the sending units around. This way it is not possible to create subharmonics patterns, but harmonic patters are possible and those harmonic patterns exists in a distance 2 x radius , 3 x radius etc, around the device.

Esa