Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[LarryC]

"...What's needed is to devise an experiment that clearly demonstrates a power gain. That's what's missing."[/b] PB

...ALSO THE DECREASE IN PRIME MOVER INPUT FROM 619 W TO 520 W HAS NO EFFECT ALSO?
THIS REPRESENTS ALMOST A 100 W POWER GAIN.

That is NOT a power gain, Thane. Your experimental setup was initially converting its ENTIRE input power (619W) to HEAT. When you changed the configuration, it was then converting only 520W to heat. So what happened was that you're now producing nearly 100W less heat. This is NOT any kind of a power gain. In both cases, you were converting 100% of the power into heat. In the first case, 619W of electrical input made 619W of heat; in the second case, 520W of electrical input made 520W of heat.

@PB,

Well, I see where Thane agreed with you and I'm sure he's very sincere, allthough I never saw him sweating from all that heat in any of the demo's.

But I'd like to try to understand your statement.

First we have a rotor with large Neo's spinning next to iron core coils. When the rotor is not magnetically connected to the motor and the coils are shorted the rotor stops. I use to think that was because of the large amount of mechanical work needed to pass these charged coils. Are you saying that it does not take mechanical work only heat?

Then with magnetically coupled rotor the power goes down and rotor speeds up. I'm not sure exactly why it sped up but the rotor with large Neo's is still spinning next to a charged coil and you would normally think, that would require even more mechanical work to accomplish that speed up. Now this is where I'm really confused, we loss 100W of heat. Now that we have less heat why did the motor speed up?

Also I'd like to know how all the observable mechanically work is being done by heat.

Nevermind, I got it!
@Thane,
You rascal, you should be ashamed for hidding a Stirling engine in your device.

[JustMe]

Polar's 97 post point seems to be that at some stage Thane is going to have to compare this motor to something other than itself. That Thane's generator set up is going to have to do some useful work as effectively and more efficiently than an existing technology that serves purpose x. All so self evident it hardly justifies a single mention, let alone the endless tedium.

[OilBarren]

Well, I see where Thane agreed with you and I'm sure he's very sincere, allthough I never saw him sweating from all that heat in any of the demo's.

ACTUALLY I WAS JUST JOKING AROUND WITH PB WHO IS SKIRTING THE REAL ISSUES AS PER USUAL.

But I'd like to try to understand your statement.

First we have a rotor with large Neo's spinning next to iron core coils. When the rotor is not magnetically connected to the motor and the coils are shorted the rotor stops.
EXACTLY

I use to think that was because of the large amount of mechanical work needed to pass these charged coils. Are you saying that it does not take mechanical work only heat?
THE MOTOR HEATS UP TRYING TO DO THE WORK - WHICH IS EXCESSIVE.

Then with magnetically coupled rotor the power goes down and rotor speeds up.
YES

I'm not sure exactly why it sped up but the rotor with large Neo's is still spinning next to a charged coil and you would normally think, that would require even more mechanical work to accomplish that speed up.
IT SPEEDS UP BECAUSE THE GENERATOR COILS INDUCE BACK EMF MMF's WHICH ARE MAGNETICALLY COUPLED TO THE MOTOR'S ROTOR.

THIS IS THE ENTIRE POINT THE LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY, LENZ'S LAW AND THE WORK ENERGY PRINCIPLE AND OTHER PHYSICS LAWS ALL SAY IT SHOULD REQUIRE MORE WORK - BUT IT DOES NOT.

Now this is where I'm really confused, we loss 100W of heat. Now that we have less heat why did the motor speed up?
AGAIN I WAS KIND OF JOKING BUT IT TAKES ENERGY TO PRODUCE HEAT SO LESS HEAT MEANS LESS INPUT ENERGY - WHICH STILL AMOUNTS TO A SAVINGS OR GAIN OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.

Also I'd like to know how all the observable mechanically work is being done by heat.

THE ONLY HEAT HERE IS POLARBREEZE'S HOT AIR...
AND THE FRICTION HE CREATES HELPING US ALL WORK ON BEING MORE PATIENT.

Nevermind, I got it!
@Thane,
You rascal, you should be ashamed for hidding a Stirling engine in your device.

FORGET THE STERLING ENGINE WE HID LITHIUM BATTERIES INSTEAD.

Thane

[OilBarren]

Polar's 97 post point seems to be that at some stage Thane is going to have to compare this motor to something other than itself. That Thane's generator set up is going to have to do some useful work as effectively and more efficiently than an existing technology that serves purpose x. All so self evident it hardly justifies a single mention, let alone the endless tedium.

YOU MEAN LIKE IN AN ELECTRIC DUNE BUGGY?
JUSTME IF YOU LIVED IN CARP - ENDLESS TEDIUM WOULD BE THE HIGH POINT OF YOUR DAY.

Thane

[bitbeam]

Hi Thane,

It sounds like your NASA trip is still on, is that correct?

I hope so! 

Aaron

YES IT IS STILL ON - WHY DO YOU WANT TO COME ALONG?
ACTUALLY IT MIGHT BE OFF IF PB WORKS THERE - HE'LL NEVER LET ME IN.
LET ME GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.

POLAR - DO YOU WORK FOR NASA BY ANY CHANCE?

Thane

Hi Thane,

That's great news! 
Do you have any details yet on time and place?

Aaron