Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[OilBarren]

SORRY WE NEVER GOT OUR INDUCTION MOTOR ABOVE RATED MAX SPEED - LUC TRIED AND BLEW UP HIS HOUSE.

Sorry, I got confused by your listing of ignorant statement - factual statement in response #1011 to PB. Didn't know if that was ignorant statement or factual statement, after all with enough added power it could be a fact. Should have understood with THE BEST ONE part of the statement.

THE BEST ONE:
OR THAT A MOTOR THAT IS OPERATING AT ITS MAXIMUM SPEED AS DICTATED BY THE
LINE FREQUENCY - WILL SOMEHOW ACCELERATE BEYOND THIS MAXIMUM SPEED SO THAT
THE SLIP ANGLE BETWEEN THE ROTOR AND STATOR IS NOW LESS THAN ZERO?

Regards,
Larry

HEY LARRY,

CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOUR?
CAN YOU CORRECT MY SPELLING MISTAKES WHEN QUOTING CONFUSING IGNORANT/FACTUAL STATEMENTS WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY BE FACT? RE:OPERATING

THANKS MAN
Thane

[LarryC]

SORRY WE NEVER GOT OUR INDUCTION MOTOR ABOVE RATED MAX SPEED - LUC TRIED AND BLEW UP HIS HOUSE.

Sorry, I got confused by your listing of ignorant statement - factual statement in response #1011 to PB. Didn't know if that was ignorant statement or factual statement, after all with enough added power it could be a fact. Should have understood with THE BEST ONE part of the statement.

THE BEST ONE:
OR THAT A MOTOR THAT IS OPERATING AT ITS MAXIMUM SPEED AS DICTATED BY THE
LINE FREQUENCY - WILL SOMEHOW ACCELERATE BEYOND THIS MAXIMUM SPEED SO THAT
THE SLIP ANGLE BETWEEN THE ROTOR AND STATOR IS NOW LESS THAN ZERO?

Regards,
Larry

HEY LARRY,

CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOUR?
CAN YOU CORRECT MY SPELLING MISTAKES WHEN QUOTING CONFUSING IGNORANT/FACTUAL STATEMENTS WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY BE FACT? RE:OPERATING

THANKS MAN
Thane

More confusion caused on my part. In #1011 you seem to be pointing out false statements (due to ignorance on their part) made by the nay sayers and then pointing out the actual observed facts. 

Example:
OR THAT EVEN THOUGH THE STARTING CAPACITOR CAN BE PHYSICALLY REMOVED AND THE EFFECT STILL REMAINS - IT STILL IS THE CAPACITOR THAT CAUSES THE EFFECTS?

False statement: THE CAPACITOR CAUSE THE EFFECT.

Factual statement:  THE STARTING CAPACITOR CAN BE PHYSICALLY REMOVED AND THE EFFECT STILL REMAINS.


I only meant that when you said THE BEST ONE (of the false statements), I should have realized that you were pointing out the false statement of trying to operate an induction motor above its maximum rpm as dictated by its line frequency. The fact being that you can't have a slip angle less than zero in a normal induction motor. I was confused because if there was enough power back from the rotor it would be possible.

Regards,
Larry

[OilBarren]

More confusion caused on my part. In #1011 you seem to be pointing out false statements (due to ignorance on their part) made by the nay sayers and then pointing out the actual observed facts. 

Example:
OR THAT EVEN THOUGH THE STARTING CAPACITOR CAN BE PHYSICALLY REMOVED AND THE EFFECT STILL REMAINS - IT STILL IS THE CAPACITOR THAT CAUSES THE EFFECTS?

False statement: THE CAPACITOR CAUSE THE EFFECT.

Factual statement:  THE STARTING CAPACITOR CAN BE PHYSICALLY REMOVED AND THE EFFECT STILL REMAINS.


I only meant that when you said THE BEST ONE (of the false statements), I should have realized that you were pointing out the false statement of trying to operate an induction motor above its maximum rpm as dictated by its line frequency. The fact being that you can't have a slip angle less than zero in a normal induction motor. I was confused because if there was enough power back from the rotor it would be possible.

Regards,
Larry

FINE, FINE WHATEVER - HOW'S MY SPELLING

Thane

[hoptoad]

ABOVE THE CRITICAL SPEED THRESHOLD THIS SCENARIO WILL ALSO ACCELERATE.

Have you actually tried this with a DC motor and observed an acceleration effect on S/C? What sort of DC motor?  I have not observed it, but then, I used very low impedance commutator switched, shunt wound DC permanent magnet motors for driving and loading comparisons. I'm not surprised that I never observed the acceleration effect with these motors. And conventional theory says I shouldn't have been surprised. I haven't heard or read of anyone else (yet) that has observed this effect in a closed systemI'm all ears now ! You might be a miracle worker after all !  .

MY FEELING IS THAT IF THE ADDITIONAL TORQUE SUPPLIED BY THE HIGH VOLTAGE COILS AND THE HIGH CURRENT COILS IN SERIES IS GREATER THAN THE TORQUE REQUIRED TO TURN THE DC MOTOR THE SYSTEM SHOULD ACCELERATE.

@Thane, I wasn't referring to the acceleration effect of the open system alternator (generator) driven by a DC motor. I was referring to the effect (or lack thereof) when using a DC motor in generator mode, regardless of what type of motor is driving it.

I achieved the acceleration effect readily using DC pm motors driving my open system alternator, but never once did I witness the effect when using the same DC motors to drive another DC motor in generator mode. This is in agreement with your previous posted statement,

"6) DC MOTOR IN GENERATOR MODE + ( # 5 ) ABOVE = MAX REGENERATIVE BRAKING"

I am really very curious to know; have you actually witnessed, through experimentation, any acceleration effect during current loading, when using a DC motor as a generator, regardless of driving motor type? If you haven't, do you know of anyone who has?
Cheers and KneeDeep 

[OilBarren]

I achieved the acceleration effect readily using DC pm motors driving my open system alternator, but never once did I witness the effect when using the same DC motors to drive another DC motor in generator mode. This is in agreement with your previous posted statement,

"6) DC MOTOR IN GENERATOR MODE + ( # 5 ) ABOVE = MAX REGENERATIVE BRAKING"

I am really very curious to know; have you actually witnessed, through experimentation, any acceleration effect during current loading, when using a DC motor as a generator, regardless of driving motor type? If you haven't, do you know of anyone who has?

Cheers and KneeDeep 

# 6 SAYS BRAKING TO ME?

WE ARE USING A DC MOTOR AS A PRIME MOVER AND THEORETICALLY IF THE TORQUE SUPPLIED BY THE LOADED COILS IS GREATER THAN THAT SUPPLIED BY THE MOTOR, THE MOTOR WILL ACCELERATE BEYOND THE SPEED DICTATED BY THE INPUT POWER AND START ACTING LIKE A GENERATOR - GENERATING POWER.

LUC IS TOYING WITH THE IDEA OF ELIMINATING THE MOTOR ALTOGETHER AND SHORTING COILS TO CREATE A SELF RUNNING SYSTEM - BECAUSE THE MOTOR SEEMS TO ONLY BE REQUIRED TO GET THINGS STARTED.

Thane