Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[hoptoad]

I am really very curious to know; have you actually witnessed, through experimentation, any acceleration effect during current loading, when using a DC motor as a generator, regardless of driving motor type? If you haven't, do you know of anyone who has?

# 6 SAYS BRAKING TO ME?
WE ARE USING A DC MOTOR AS A PRIME MOVER AND THEORETICALLY IF THE TORQUE SUPPLIED BY THE LOADED COILS IS GREATER THAN THAT SUPPLIED BY THE MOTOR, THE MOTOR WILL ACCELERATE BEYOND THE SPEED DICTATED BY THE INPUT POWER AND START ACTING LIKE A GENERATOR - GENERATING POWER.
LUC IS TOYING WITH THE IDEA OF ELIMINATING THE MOTOR ALTOGETHER AND SHORTING COILS TO CREATE A SELF RUNNING SYSTEM - BECAUSE THE MOTOR SEEMS TO ONLY BE REQUIRED TO GET THINGS STARTED.
Thane

I'll assume the answer to my question is no. Good luck LUC with your self running experiment, if you try it.  Cheers 

[OUman]

This picture and description may help clarify how the perepiteia works:



In the steady-state situation the motor-horse and the generator-horse are both running extremely hard but the motor-horse is stronger so the generator-horse is dragged backwards and the apparatus rotates at a steady speed. Both the motor-horse and the generator-horse get very hot because they are expending large amounts of energy driving against each other. If the experimenter then attaches roller skates to the feet of the generator-horse, the apparatus accelerates dramatically while the motor-horse finds that it has to work less hard. This proves that the roller skates provide an as-yet untapped source of energy.

Patents on this idea are pending. However, it has been found that if the cross member is made of brass instead of wood, this cancels out the effect. That aspect is still under investigation. Also, the inventor is proposing an improvement whereby the motor-horse can be removed altogether so that the entire motive force is provided by the generator. This is a very promising approach since it requires only that the generator-horse be trained to trot backwards while on roller skates.

[adlep]

This picture and description may help non-technical people understand how the perepiteia works:

In the steady-state situation the motor-horse and the generator-horse are both running extremely hard but the motor-horse is stronger so the shaft rotates at a steady speed. Both the motor-horse and the generator-horse get very hot because they're expending lots of energy driving against each other. If the experimenter then attaches roller skates to the feet of the generator-horse, the system accelerates dramatically while the motor-horse finds that it has to work less hard. This proves that the roller skates are an as yet untapped source of energy. Patents on this idea are pending. However, it has been found that if the cross member is made of brass instead of wood, this cancels out the effect - this aspect is still under investigation.

Funny

[allcanadian]

@Oilbarren

WE ARE USING A PM BRUSHED DC MOTOR IN OUR VEHICLE. MY FEELING IS THAT IF THE TORQUE SUPPLIED BY THE ACCELERATING HIGH VOLTAGE COILS AND THE ACCELERATING HIGH CURRENT COILS (WIRED IN SERIES) IS GREATER THAN THE TORQUE SUPPLIED BY THE MOTOR, THE MOTOR SHOULD ACCELERATE AND START TO ACT AS A GENERATOR .
SORRY WE NEVER GOT OUR INDUCTION MOTOR ABOVE RATED MAX SPEED - LUC TRIED AND BLEW UP HIS HOUSE.

I think you are on the right track, but I think there are easier ways of achieving the desired results. If you are adding High Voltage Coils in series to your High Current Coils you are simply increasing the electrical inertia of the circuit, that is the self-inductance. I have tried to find easier ways to achieve this goal as tuning resonant circuits is a real pain. I have enclosed a circuit that uses the electrical inertia or self-induction of any DC motor to its advantage, it is simply a store and discharge type of circuit utilizing a relatively small capacitance. The frequency of CC1 is based on the self-inductance of DC motor M. I should mention it is usually necesary to add a large self-inductance(choke) between the source V+ and recifier, this circuit basically replaces the inductor in a DC/DC step up converter with a DC motor, as well the higher the pulse frequency the less motor M acts like a motor and more like an inductor , this is simply because the rotor has moved a very small amount relative to the length of the current pulse. . When I look at a circuit I look for three things, the high potential, its opposite the low potential and the neutral center---the center of balance. There is one neutral center between the battery terminals that is (+, 0, -), usually the next neutral center is the DC motor coils, but in this circuit the neutral center is the capacitor C1 and the DC motor coils, the imbalance in the motor coils (charge, 0, inductive discharge) is transfered to the capacitor C1.

[OilBarren]

This picture and correct version - description will clarify how the Perepiteia works:



In the steady-state situation the motor-horse is running, the generator-horse is doing nothing as usual and just enjoying the ride. The apparatus rotates at a steady speed. The motor-horse gets very hot because it is expending large amounts of energy driving the generator-horse's fat stupid dumb-ass around and around endlessly day after day.

The experimenter (who is very smart and handsome) then attaches capacitor powered roller blades to the hooves of the generator-horse, the apparatus accelerates dramatically while the motor-horse finds that it has to work less hard because the previously fat dumb-ass generator-horse is now contributing something usefull rather than being dumb-ass dead weight.

This proves that the capacitor powered roller skates provide an exciting new source of energy which the dumb-ass generator-horse never would have dreamed of in a milion years because he would rather sit back on his dumb-ass and get a free ride on some one else's sweat rather than do anything real.

Patents on this idea are pending. However, it has been found that if the cross member is made of brass instead of wood, does not cancel out the effect. It has also been dicovered that lazy, fat, dumb-ass, lying freeloaders drag everything down if not harnessed properly. These aspects are know facts and are no longer under investigation. It has also been discovered that the generator-horse's brain can be replaced by wood - which does not cancel out the effect.

Also, the inventor (who is very smart, handsome and modest) is proposing an improvement whereby the motor-horse can be removed altogether so that the entire motive force is provided by the generator-horse's capacitor powered roller blades. This is a very promising approach since it requires only that the generator-horse do nothing as per usual and it can continue to be a lazy, fat, dumb-ass, lying freeloader who cannot be trusted or trained to do anything new.

The handsome, smart and modest experimenter and the motor-horse are now free to and fulfill their dream of riding off to an interior design show in Germany and searching for the love of his life Polandia Breaznia.

Ottawa Uman