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Thane Heins Perepiteia.

Started by RunningBare, February 04, 2008, 09:02:26 AM

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hoptoad

Quote from: CRANKYpants on May 26, 2008, 07:19:36 PM
TODAY I GOT MY NEW MOT COILS PERFECTED AND WORKING BEAUTIFULLY.

IN ADDITION THE EFFECTS CONTINUE WHEN I  EMPLOY 5x STRENGTH MAGNETS ON MY ROTOR. I CAN FINALLY START BUILDING MY BUGGY GENERATOR WITH CONFIDENCE.

CHEERS
Thane
Nice Demo. Good luck with the buggy.

hoptoad

Quote from: aether22 on May 26, 2008, 11:15:56 PM
.... problem is that shorting coils can lead to acceleration for mundane reasons and I am not sure Thane appreciates that fact and that not every experiment he does rules out such an artifact/explanation) .....
Anyone care to do a better workup so we can figure out thanes efficiency at various sync speeds without HV coils?

Why does mundanity pose a problem? Increased efficiency, no matter how mundanely achieved, can only be viewed positively.
Exotic imaginings may be sexy, but good results from possibly mundane methods are sexier. Thanes latest demo is quite sexy .... oooh   :D :D

Perhaps you may do a better workup and figure out thanes efficiency at various sync speeds without HV coils?

KneeDeep

aether22

Quote from: hoptoad on May 27, 2008, 03:09:02 AM
Why does mundanity pose a problem? Increased efficiency, no matter how mundanely achieved, can only be viewed positively.
Exotic imaginings may be sexy, but good results from possibly mundane methods are sexier. Thanes latest demo is quite sexy .... oooh   :D :D

Perhaps you may do a better workup and figure out thanes efficiency at various sync speeds without HV coils?

KneeDeep

If it were actually useful I would not call it mundane. (even if it's cause was)

None of the mundane ways a generator can accelerate when shorted that I am aware of are of any use.

One is by reducing core losses, however this simply means the core is of poor quality and that usage of a propper core would see this effect vanish. (It's only use would be in making generators out of unusually poor cores more efficient when the generator coils are pulling many ampere turns)

Another is reduction of cogging torque, but that is not a big loss at speed and can be reduced easily by a flywheel or by an odd/even rotor/stator number.

Finally if shorting takes less energy from the coil (and hence the rotor) than placing a load with a higher resistance then that is of no interest as it is not improving efficiency, the acceleration is due to a reduction in the power pulled out.

All of these effects can be ruled out as major factors in Thanes device for many reasons.

Also there is no OU possible with mundane physics.
?To forgive is to set a prisoner free and then discover that the prisoner was you.?  Lewis Smedes

hoptoad

Quote from: aether22 on May 27, 2008, 03:42:16 AM
If it were actually useful I would not call it mundane. (even if it's cause was)

I'll happily wait for Thanes buggy results and data before deciding if I think his generation and application of the effect is useful or not, and mundane or not.

CRANKYpants

Quote from: hoptoad on May 27, 2008, 04:44:26 AM
I'll happily wait for Thanes buggy results and data before deciding if I think his generation and application of the effect is useful or not, and mundane or not.

THE DEMO I POSTED YESTERDAY SHOWS HC LENZ DECELERATION FROM 0.6 A TO 0.4 A WHEN I SWITCHED IN THE HV COILS - IF I WOULD HAVE LEFT IT ALONE TO WOULD HAVE DECELERATED DOWN TO 0.0 A.

SWITCHING IN THE HC COILS CAUSED ACCELERATION FROM 0.4 A UP TO 1.0 A - WHEN I SHUT THE SYSTEM DOWN AT ABOUT 2000 RPM - IT WOULD HAVE CONTINUED UP TO OVER 2.0 A AT 3000 RPM BUT I WASN'T INTERESTED IN MAKING ANOTHER "CLOVERFIELD" MOVIE.

TODAY MY NEW COILS SHOULD PROVIDE 2.5 - 3.0 AMPS INDIVIDUALLY - THE IDEA IS (AND I HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS) - IS TO USE THE HV COILS TO ACCELERATE THROUGH THE HC COIL 3 A DECELERATION. - THEN REPLACE THE "SMALL" 30 LB STRENGTH MAGNETS w/ 150 LB STRENGTH MAGNETS AND INCREASE MY INDIVIDUAL COIL OUTPUT TO 15 A -

NOW I HAVE ROOM FOR 6 OF THOSE 3 A HC COILS - IF I AM SUCCESSFUL AT CANCELLING EACH HC COIL'S 3 A DECELERATION INDIVIDUALLY IT SHOULD BE ANYTHING LESS THAN MUNDANE - IT WILL BE MAN-THANE THAT'S COOL! @ OVER 90 A OUT.

NOW BEFORE YOU GET ANY WRONG IDEAS - YOU SHOULD ALL BE AWARE THAT THE MOT DISCOVERY BELONGS TO LUC   8) AND IF IT WERE NOT FOR HIM I MIGHT BE STILL DICKING AROUND WITH IRON CORES.  :-\

IMAGINE IF THE WORLD WORKED LIKE THAT ... EGO-LESS SHARING "HELP ALL SERVE ALL" WOW WHAT A CONCEPT!

Thane