Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[OilBarren]

Anyway, welcome to the group and thanks for posting, probably Thane will have some questions?
Cheers,Ron

NO COMMENT - SPIDEY SENSE TINGLING.

Thane

[hoptoad]

Hi sir I-Ron
You don't know me  but I heard a lot about you! Good quality replications!
I also made a thiny some time ago. See it here:
http://www.krystyna.nl/Machine/RevUpUnderLoad.wmv

You see it accelerate to double rpm while doing a real 50watt load.
No additional (above idle) power is being fed to the motor during the vid.
What ya think?

Steven.
The sanding man

@Nali2001
Finally someone achieving similar results to my own. Acceleration with a useful O/P, without resorting to complete short circuit to achieve that acceleration.

Is that a universal motor you're using in your video?
Is it a single O/P coil assembly?
What is the DC resistance of the coil?
Do you know what the inductance of the coil is?
How many magnet pairs on the rotor?
Have you tried incremental loading to see what the minimum amount of O/P power is required from your coil for the acceleration to kick in?
Have you actually measured the voltage/current and therefore O/P power from the coil during loading by the globe?
Have you measured (electrical) I/P power in relation to O/P power to determine total (electrical) system transfer efficiency?

Lot's of questions, I know, but empirical data is desireable in order to develop a greater understanding of the effect.

Cheers and KneeDeep.

[OUman]

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So now we effectively have 2 helicopters, one made from 2 planes and one made from 2 heli's.
One can take 1,000 pounds of extra payload with propellers providing 200 pounds of trust.
The other can take 700 pounds of extra payload with the rotor blades providing 2,000 pounds of thrust.

Pretty interesting eh?

Now to my mind this would also be OU, but only if a plane is...

I don’t think you need to consider them in pairs so here’s the way I see it with just one of each. Double up all the numbers for pairs:

The plane:

1. 100 lbs of forward thrust provides 1000 lbs of upwards thrust, in your example.
2. If the plane has a total weight of 1000 lbs, it will fly at a constant altitude.
3. If you reduce the plane’s mass (and therefore weight) by 500 lbs, then if it keeps going at the same forward speed it will accelerate upward because there is excess upwards force. (force = mass x acceleration). 
4. If you add a payload of 500 lbs, it will stay at a constant altitude because the upward thrust again exactly matches the total weight of the plane + payload.

The helicopter:

1. The rotors provide 1000 lbs of upward thrust in your example.
2. If the helicopter has a total weight of 1000 lbs, it will hover at a constant altitude
3. If you reduce the helicopter’s mass (and therefore weight) by 350 lbs, then if it keeps its rotors turning at the same rate it will accelerate upward because there is excess upwards force. (force = mass x acceleration).
4. If you add a payload of 350 lbs, it will stay at a constant altitude because the upward thrust again exactly matches the total weight of the helicopter + payload.

Note that in both cases, the additional upward thrust (and therefore payload capacity) is accounted for purely and simply by the removal of mass from the machine. The appearance that they behave differently is an illusion.

This is a very instructive analogy because it invokes the same reasoning that all the coil-and-magnet OU devices use. And, as you suggest, if the coil-and-magnet devices are OU, then so is an airplane. Is an airplane an OU device? I don’t think so.

[i_ron]

Hi Ron,
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Another question because the results seem a little unusual. What is the air gap between the magnets and the core?

Regards,
Larry

Larry, 

The gap is 1/8th (.125 inches, long live imperial!)

Ron

NOW... (above corrected) if I could just tame those decimal points, lol.

[LarryC]

The gap is 1/8th (.125 inches, long live imperial!)

Very nice wheel if you can get that close.

However, it may be to close, causing a clogging effect. You may want to try 1/4, 5/16, 3/8 to see if you can get the effect at a lower rpm. Thane had mentioned previously that to small an air gap can cause a clogging effect.

Larry