Tri-Force Magnets - Finally shown to be OU?

[CLaNZeR]

A man after my own heart with the RAPID Catalogue in the background!

ROFL , atleast it came in handy for something 

[Yadaraf]

Okay I admit after playing for a couple of hours I thought there was nothing in this part from a very nice magnetic bearing.

Must now I am convinced the Top magnet is interacting and doing a bit of work.

Usually adding magnets to a stator make the Wind Down times shorter.
Could this be a bit of SV interaction going on?

http://www.overunity.org.uk/CLaNZeRSFairFieldReplication7.wmv

If you want to see earlier videos then they are listed below, or can be seen on my YouTube account.

http://www.overunity.org.uk/CLaNZeRSFairFieldReplication3.wmv
http://www.overunity.org.uk/CLaNZeRSFairFieldReplication4.wmv
http://www.overunity.org.uk/CLaNZeRSFairFieldReplication5.wmv
http://www.overunity.org.uk/CLaNZeRSFairFieldReplication6.wmv

Cheers

Sean.

CLaNZeR,

I think one thing that is affecting wind down time is the flux in the rotor-stator connecting ball. 

In some of your configurations there is a strong N-N<->S-S-S-S setup, but in others you have a weaker N-S<->S-S-S-S setup.  The friction on the ball is different in each case.

Cheers

Yada..
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[bourne]

For this particular device I'm going to buy a small Magnetix or Geomags kit to see if I can make a "pulser" as demonstrated in the original Fairfield YouTube.

Hi Yada and everyone

I bought the small 50 piece Magnetix kit on friday and, as of yet been unable to make this work. I would say the kit I bought is of very poor quality. I have noticed a large discrepancy of magnet strength in the little rods as well as MOST of the magnets nickel coatings are starting to flake and come away.  ?10 well spent (made in china!)

So my suggestion would be, stay away from the cheap-o Magnetix kits and go for something better quality.

What is everyone else using?

Your right, bloody addictive though 

One other question, how are the stator arms orientated off the upper triangle? I have tried all sorts of combinations with no luck.

One thing that surprised me is; I have N-N pointing down from the upper triangle and N-N-N-N pointing up from the rotor. When I bring them near each other they repel (No surprise) but when I touch them together they stick !?!? With very little friction as shown in CLaNZeR's video
How does that work?

[mscoffman]

Hi all;

In Clanzers inclined ramp video we see an axle with weight W being pulled up an incline by
an interaction with a magnetic field. I hate to say this folks, but; a) that represents work
being done by a magnet, b) the axle remains under control of a local magnetic field as it
is transfered between two gates. The Tri-Force field lattice does the smoothing. An arbitrary
number of gates can apparently raise the axle to any higher level. The ramp-incline then
partions the work done by the magnetic field into two parts the momentum force of the axle
moving forward+rotating (arbitrated by metal sphere friction on the drive surface) + the gravitational
potential energy of the weight W increasing by increasing height of the axle by of about .8cm per
every Tri-force gate. What added the energy to the axle? A magnet pulling it's weight up the ramp.
What happens next? The axle remains under control of the Tri-force magnetic field, ready for a
repeat performance in the next Tri-Force gate.

Now; A Magnetic force did this, and a Mag. force is an acceleration. So without some force holding
it back the axle should accelerate to any arbitrarily high speed. And since the axle seems to reach a
"top speed", a non-linear force must be holding it back. One non-linear force is air resistance with
a terminal velocity of 250MPH. So that is not it. It *must* be Lenz Law eddy current braking which
converts excess energy into heat, that is holding the axle back. Not some saturation by initial energy.
Because the forward momentum is saturated, the y-axis velocity represents an almost ideally efficient
mechanism for potential energy storage. (By the way - if you look carefully, you will see that the
Wheel machines has none of these things!, so it is not suprising that the wheel machine rotor does
not accelerate. The wheel rotor makes it easy to pick off excess energy but hard to change the mass
center of gravity of whirling parts. A spinning magnetic dipole also has RF radio frequency energy
losses which the wheel has and the ramp does not) 

What I propose is that the Tri-force lattice array acts like a refrigerator absorbing latent heat from
all of it's parts in the environments and concentrates that heat into the axle's metal parts, and
suppling the energy to move it.

An interesting experiment then would involve sending maybe ten axles up a 30 gate Tri-Force ramp and
capturing all ten in a cup filled with some water and seeing if there is any small temperature rise in the
water in the cup after a brief period.

If there is excess heat it would be possible to use a "drinking bird toy" arrangement which contains
a freon boiler...But *please* no water. The custom designed mechanism would be able to capture an
axle absorb the heat out of it and use that heat to arm itself so that the next axle that comes along would
cause the first to flip up to a drive surface mounted above the magnetic field array which would pull the axle
down the slope at above 1xG with eddy current braking powered full on. The neat thing about this is the
axle would go from the bottom ramp to the top ramp at very high speed, Creating a very short undesirable
out-of-magnetic-field control pop-up time. The gravitational potential energy would not be used, except to
create a clearance for the rotating mechanism.

The only way I can see that this would not work is if magnetic forces refrigerates the axle too. I would
believe that too much of the machine's energy is concentrated in the axle for it not to be heated to
some small extent. Since moving the weight up the incline represents work, I would tend to experiment
with that configuration then optimize it. Those Wheel machines have additional RF losses due to spinning
magnetic dipoles in space and those RF losses are fractionally proportionate to the eddy current losses seen
by the the wheel. The inclined ramps are showing what one wants to see, acceleration limited by a non-linear
force and efficient potential energy storage. Do not forget that G the force of gravity on the planet earth is
arbitrary among all the G values in the universe, not some absolute value designed to purposely defeat the
operation of a magnetic machine design (that we know of).

So if someone could measure a temperature rise in the axles then the operation of this machine could pretty
much be assured. On the other hand, if there is not temperature rise, one would have to find some other
way to use the gravitational potential energy of the raised weight to switch tracks.

Sorry, for the length of this post and I would now be glad to answer any questions about it.

MarkSCoffman

[CLaNZeR]

CLaNZeR,

I think one thing that is affecting wind down time is the flux in the rotor-stator connecting ball. 

In some of your configurations there is a strong N-N<->S-S-S-S setup, but in others you have a weaker N-S<->S-S-S-S setup.  The friction on the ball is different in each case.

Hi Yada

All the long Wind Down times were done with the NS-NS-NS-NS on the middle bars, top and bottom are either all North or all South.

The pulse you see in the first video and indeed the original is I suspect the NN-SN-SS-NS

Here is a video to show the difference

Hi-res
http://www.overunity.org.uk/CLaNZeRSFairFieldReplication8.wmv

Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E1Eg04OlUQ

If the Original Video poster would show us a longer video than 30 seconds then I would be excited.

What I am excited about is that something else is happening here with the NS-NS-NS-NS config and the changing of the top magnet arrangement.
This is the closest to SV(Lag) interaction between the Rotor and the top Stator that I have seen and might even be tempted to get the Tacho out LOL

Cheers

Sean.