Tri-Force Magnets - Finally shown to be OU?

[Omnibus]

You can bash me only after you or someone else proves a self sustaining-device can be made based on the so-called "tri-gate" and demonstrates one for others to reproduce (I'll be the first to eat my hat if that happens, solely based on the cooperative stationary magnetic field of that device). Until then I'm right and that's not because I want it to be so but because the scientific arguments and the ample experiments point to such impossibiliy.

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi Omnibus
I have no problems with that and your right if there was a way of changing the field in motion then you would have a working PMM, is there a way using permanent magnets thats yet to be seen but I would love to be the first to discover it if there was.
I could be wrong here but my theory is if you can follow the magnetic flux in one direction in a loop or circle you are doing as good as changing the magnetic field in motion, my gates work by doing just that they follow the magnetic lines of flux from repel to attract in the case of my corner gate and attract to repel in the case of the Trigate, they travel through the gates in one direction because they have nowhere else to go and how I'm making that happen is by angleing the magnets so the lines of flux going against the motion I want are behind the lines of flux going in the direction I want.
Take Care Omnibus
Graham
Take Care Omnibus
Graham

[Omnibus]

As I already told you, in this analysis you're not taking into account the energy needed to overcome the barrier prior to where you initially place the roller. Overcoming that barrier (not the follow up one which you seem to emphasize) is the crux of the matter. Like I said, @klicUK may have the solution with his shielding but that remains to be demonstrated experimentally. Hope it works.

[sm0ky2]

As I already told you, in this analysis you're not taking into account the energy needed to overcome the barrier prior to where you initially place the roller. Overcoming that barrier (not the follow up one which you seem to emphasize) is the crux of the matter. Like I said, @klicUK may have the solution with his shielding but that remains to be demonstrated experimentally. Hope it works.

This actually causes an aditional problem, by lowering the repulsion in, you also lower the repulsion out, and subsequently the transitional factor in between.

i.e. - multiple shielded gates lose their strength over long runs and wont even exit the array, much less enter the next one. i think magnetic diversion would be better along those lines.

As Graham showed in one experiment where he ran the  extension magnets off to the side.

i believe Clanzer also repeated this in one set-up.

Also sometihng to think about, the back 2 corners of the Tri-Force (N and S respectively) shoot a flux stream about 3 feet away, and can effect set-ups where the gates come back passed one another, like in a loop attempt.
if you think of circle divided trilatterally, like a "peace sign", the bottom two legs being the bars adjoining at the ball.
the top line is the direction of the flux shooting out in a straight line.

[Omnibus]

Yeah, you have a point. @Ice D'Bear is repeating it over and over again also. You improve it here but it reflects adversely there, to put it simply. That has always been the core of the problem.