Tri-Force Magnets - Finally shown to be OU?

[Omnibus]

@smOky2,

Yes, there are these differences but if you want violation of CoE you'd necessarily need a proper superposition of assisting conservative field in this case too. Don't get confused by the fact that this device propagates the piece (the dumbbell). There are many other ways to do that (I've already given you the link to Adsitt's experiments, for instance; take a look and Gauss gun also). That well understood propagation is not enough for CoE to be violated.

Of course, and I am always adding this, despite my skepticism, if the horizontal variant demonstrates more energy out than in (something it hasn't yet although there maybe some indications to that effect probably) then it will be a very interesting development and yet another possibility to achieve self-sustaining run. All that remains to be seen,

[Yadaraf]

@All,

I'm ordering these: http://www.supermagnetman.net/product_info.php?cPath=42&products_id=430%3Cbr . Does anyone have experience with them, seem the right ones, neos at that?

@Omni

RE SupermagnetMan Erector Set

I've been working with these for a few days.  Great price!  Amazing acceleration through the gates.  The magnets, however, are not marked so plan on 15 minutes of additional work.

I plugged the dimensions of the balls and neos into a CAD program and created circular arrays for the stator gates, from which I printed patterns, fabricated, and then added a Lego rotor.  Voila'.  Very easy.

I'll post a video tonight.

Cheers

Yada..
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[sm0ky2]

@ OMIN

I have to disagree. the working principle behind the SMOT and the Tri-Force Gate are not the same.

in fact, i offer an example::
im sure that you actually OWN a smot?? as much as to love to promote it, you MUST own one right??
take your SMOT - and arrange it so that it moves a Magnet - not a steel ball.
if you can create this effect with a magnetic roller, such as the one used in the tri-force, then you can demonstrate Linear Force.
vs. the rotational-magnetic-induction force that makes the steel SMOT balls move along the track.

I think what you will find is that what makes the Smot work, is the more along the lines of the David Hammell spinner. + the superimposed gravitational field.
the magnetic flux-lines in the SMOT device are not only off-set, but also perpendicular to the lines of Flux in the Tri-Force, and the Howard Johnson Linear Motor.

Once you get your magnetic constructor set you can compare the forces between the SMOT and the Tri-Force directly, i think that will shed some light on the confusion about this.

[Omnibus]

@smOky2,

I already agreed there is this difference but that's not the substantial part that would make this a violator of CoE as the SMOT is. If we're interested in violation of CoE and not of the mechanism of linear propagation, then both machines must have an additional, properly superimposed gravitational field. Otherwise, just the peculiar way of linear propagation of this device doesn't make it one bit interesting.

[sm0ky2]

How any Why would an additional superimposed field be neccessary for COE demonstration?

i dont follow this line of logic.

yes i agree with your point that the SMOT needs this extra field.
but i dont see how that relates in any way to the device we are discussing here.