Tri-Force Magnets - Finally shown to be OU?

[Omnibus]

Hi Omnibus
Your right I don't beleave a pmm can be made and I wont beleave it till I see one that works and anyone can biuld.

Any particular reason for that belief or you just have a feeling it can't be made just because you haven't seen one yet?

[tinu]

No one did really see one. All failed beyond a certain degree of scrutiny and/or to the test of time.

[konduct]

Never forget, SMOT so far provides the only scientifically sound proof that CoE can be violated and that energy out of no source (out of nothing) can be produced. Everything else is speculation, hits in the dark a lot of incompetence and even outright fraud, as the recent events indicate.

How could we possibly forget with you around? Anybody ever say you sound like a broken record?

[Omnibus]

That SMOT is the only scientifically sound way of proving violation of CoE is a firmly established fact. The question now is what lessons we are to learn from it to construct a working pmm. The difference between SMOT and a working pmm is that the former produces excess energy discontinuously while the latter does it continuously.

So, we have now a firmly established way to produce more energy than the energy input but that necessarily requires spending external energy. That in itself is an achievement with far reaching consequences but is it at all possible to eliminate the external energy input and reap the benefits Nature offers without bothering to do any work at all?

The fact that it is possible to produce excess energy appears to some connected with the inevitable possibility, if such production is real (wich it undoubtedly is), to have it produced continuously. It?s like getting sudden inheritance versus spending a dollar to get a million from the lottery. That connection between a fact and its continuous display isn?t at all evident, however. Production of excess energy so far appears more like a successful business whereby you have to spend money to get more money rather than find cash lying on the sidewalk, whereby the only effort required is to put it in your pocketbook.

That seems to be the case at this point but is it really it? Is it impossible in principle to have a device, although not seen by anyone so far, that would happily spin on its own while we recline in the armchair?

In trying to answer that questions some things are established for sure. For instance, efforts along the lines shown here http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=yMoIExJEaBU or using only so-called ?tri-force? for the purposes of seeing it convert it back into kinetic energy (and losses) is just trivial. Physics has always recognized that, say, magnets do such work when equivalent amount of work has been done in advance. It?s amazing how many people are still keen to repeat that obvious triteness thinking something new is being discovered. Hope @smOky2 reads this because he seems to be confused about that, judging from his comment under that video. There?s nothing amazing about stretching a spring and then letting it go, seeing it snap back fast.

So far what we?ve learned from SMOT is that there must be a conservative field properly overlaid to assist the time independent magnetic field acting on the object. Here the crucial word is ?properly?. The effect we seek, production of excess energy, cannot be achieved by just any overlay of two fields. We know what it should be in SMOT but is it at all possible to have such golden overlay for the purposes of continuous motion, that remains to be understood.

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi Omnibus
I think that because I havn't seen one working thats not a hoax, I havnt been able to make magnets spin continusly with out adding extra force or changing the fields in rotation and science says it can't be done.
Take Care Omnibus
Graham