Overunity Device using Magnets in the 1920's ?

[gyulasun]

Hi Tao and all,

I think you show a clever setup because it seems most of the work/energy needed for generating output power is designed to be coming from the four permanent magnets' attract force they exert on the iron bar.  And a certain part of this work/energy done by the magnets on the bar is temporarily stored in two springs which is regained during the process.  I like very much the fact that on the generator side, Lenz law is also forced to work against the permanent magnets' attract force  and not mainly against the input pulse power we have to feed in.

I wonder what mechanical solutions could be chosen for insuring the easy but still robustly guided movement of the iron bar (thinking of the huge side forces from the four magnets).  Linear bearings may be good candidates for this task.

Tao, maybe repel magnets of appropiate size and strength could replace the two springs at the ends of the bar? Not that I am against springs but maybe the bumping of the bar at the two outside 'equilibrium points' could be made totally noiseless by using facing repel magnets so that the only noise would come from the bar's guided movements.

rgds,  Gyula

[sparks]

   If you magnetize a ring of iron with a coil with x number of watts input.  Then you set the ring aside and attach the coil to a capacitor it will slowly charge the capacitor as the magnetic domains reset. You get power from the Earth's magnetic field to reset the magnetic domains but no more then what went into the system to establish them.    What happens if you put a coil around a torroidal ring magnet and set that aside attached to a capacitor.  I bet it charges the capacitor but will take a long long time.  But if the magnetic domains can be caused to reset by introducing shock waves
then possibly we can get the energy out that created the domains in the first place. This would be energy harvesting.
Maybe that's what SM is doing with his tpu.  He always seems to be putting magnets in them somewhere right before activation.

[tao]

Hi Tao and all,

I think you show a clever setup because it seems most of the work/energy needed for generating output power is designed to be coming from the four permanent magnets' attract force they exert on the iron bar.  And a certain part of this work/energy done by the magnets on the bar is temporarily stored in two springs which is regained during the process.  I like very much the fact that on the generator side, Lenz law is also forced to work against the permanent magnets' attract force  and not mainly against the input pulse power we have to feed in.

I wonder what mechanical solutions could be chosen for insuring the easy but still robustly guided movement of the iron bar (thinking of the huge side forces from the four magnets).  Linear bearings may be good candidates for this task.

Tao, maybe repel magnets of appropiate size and strength could replace the two springs at the ends of the bar? Not that I am against springs but maybe the bumping of the bar at the two outside 'equilibrium points' could be made totally noiseless by using facing repel magnets so that the only noise would come from the bar's guided movements.

rgds,  Gyula

I'd just like to comment on something you said real quick here (kind of busy at the moment, hehe)...

"I wonder what mechanical solutions could be chosen for insuring the easy but still robustly guided movement of the iron bar (thinking of the huge side forces from the four magnets)."

When I said in my post that the iron bar was in equilibrium between all four magnets, I mean COMPLETE EQUILIBRIUM. There are 0 Newtons of side forces on the iron bar, as long as the iron bar only moves up or down (from the viewpoint of my gif image). So, you NEVER have to deal with ANY side forces as long as you keep that iron bar exactly in the middle pathway. So, basically, in my gif image there, the iron bar is in equilibrium in both x and y directions. When the device is operating, ONLY the y direction (from the viewpoint of the gif image) will experience dis-equilibrium, the x direction will ALWAYS be in equilibrium.

[gyulasun]

Ok, you are right,  I see it now, if there is any small difference in attraction forces from sideways it can only come from the different strengths of the facing permanent magnet pairs (but then this small difference can be compensated by some small re-positionings of the magnets before the final fix).

So this fact makes this design even more attractive! 

Thanks,  Gyula

[tao]

Ok, you are right,  I see it now, if there is any small difference in attraction forces from sideways it can only come from the different strengths of the facing permanent magnet pairs (but then this small difference can be compensated by some small re-positionings of the magnets before the final fix).

So this fact makes this design even more attractive! 

Thanks,  Gyula

Yes, you got it