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A truly overunity Transformer / Meg

Started by LoganBaker, March 17, 2008, 06:32:56 PM

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Nali2001

Indeed the Inkomp device works by bringing the primary close looped core to near saturation only for as long as is necessary. Once that close looped core approaches the saturated state its permeability drops rapidly and so the path from the permanent magnet is forced to find another route. There are many important things here, for one you want a material with a very sharp saturation knee, meaning that saturation will kick in abrupt and without much input. Frequency can be whatever you want and depends on material. How to accomplish the switching is up to the user but some kind of Lc based circuit would be a good choice I think. Special note on the input, the input pulse duration has to be fine tuned. It should only be on, for as long as it takes to switch the magnet field and not longer than that. So very short pulses would indeed be enough. On the scope shots in the video you see a very short duty cycle of only 20% of so. The output side is pure sinewave when Lc tuned to with the right cap. I guess the main difference with this system compared to the 'regular' MEG is that the input and its field never reaches (interacts with) the output coil/side. Input and output fields are more or less separated (except for output-coil lenz that is) But testing should be simple since it does not require any out of the ordinary exotic frequencies or core materials. All in all this thing is very much like a magnetic amplifier.

winsonali

nali2001

i am not sure about the Inkomp device as they have not disclosed there setup
i am talking in general if you try this by your self you will find that tis setup will not work many people have tried this and they are failed

Lenz force is nothing but an electro mechanical force representation of increased repulsive force with increased current it do not effect the elctro magnetic circuit.

the BH curve will not be fulfilled to the 4th quadrant as it will only move in its 1st quadrant.

a simple experiment will explain what i mean with this

take a simple - screw driver and rub it on a magnet only in one direction it will become magnet.

do the same thing but rub in to and fro motion you will see that it will not become magnet
this is very much required when you want to generate energy with MEG you have to get the reverse field applied to neutralized the core material.




winsonali

i want to ask a simple question

i designed an inverter which convert 12 volts into 220 volts at the max. power of 1000 VA
the inverter i design is a fully computerized unit when there is no load it  consume 0.4 amps with full load it consumes 80 amps .



my question is very simple how input understand that the load is increased its time to fetch more current from input.
please also define mutual inductance?

Nali2001

Hi Winsonali,
When you have a transformer without a load on it, the input winding will induce/generate a voltage against itself. This (self)induced voltage is a bit lower then the inputed voltage. So for example you input 200v and the self inductance acting on the coil is close to that, say 199v. So in the end there is only 1volt really acting against the ohmic resistances of the coil hence there will be very little amp draw in idle. But once you start loading the output winding the self inductance acting upon the input coil will drop and more actual voltage will act upon the ohmic coil resistance, more amps will be drawn.

Same with a motor at idle. Why does a motor at idle draw little power? Because the motor is generating against itself also. And that generated voltage is canceling out the applied voltage leaving only a very little effective voltage to cause amp flow.

Well here is another 'special' thingy:
Take a 1000watt transformer and apply a dc input. You will see that the core dead saturates with as little as 2watt dc input. Well then, how can it be that, that transformer can in ac operation handle a 1000watt throughput?

And one other thing. How can the secondary of a transformer pickup the induced field from a transformer primary when the magnetic field never actually comes in contact with the output coil. The field is 99% contained in the core and still the output core can interact with it. See the below movie, how the output coil is very much removed from the core ans still works great.

http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/Movie_0001.wmv









Nali2001

Hello Winsonali,
Well about the meg and inkomp. The operation of the meg and means of working are very different from what the inkomp is doing. With the inkomp device, when the magnet is not there there will also be no output at all. In other words, remove the magnet and power the input and you will see nothing on the output coil. The input never couples with the output coil.

I agree with you, the meg will probably not work, at least not the way we are being told it is supposed to work. But again the inkomp is nothing like this.

I understand what you mean with the magnet and screwdriver depiction.
But you must understand that all these effects are very much related to the core type used.
In the inkomp when the input is off, all the magnetism will go through the close looped core part and the level of magnetism in the output coil/core part will be close to zero, but only if the right material is used. Some steels tend to retain the magnetic orientation/level that was force upon them. But the right kind of material will reset itself to a neutral point when at rest. And you need to know what you are doing when designing such thing. Grain aligned cores almost always drop their magnetic field when input power is removed due to their material/structural makeup, while bad laminated steels retain the field and so are not suitable for meg or inkomp usage. Here you have an old video showing the different behavior of different core types. Don't mind some texts in the video since it was part of a bigger video at first:

http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/CoreTests.wmv