Most efficient method of electrolysis?

[BradleyH20]

I am in the middle of much research trying to find the most efficient means of electrolysis. I am not looking to stan meyers device or anything like that. I'm talking 12VDC electrolysis with distilled water and an electrolyte. It seems everyone has a different opinion as to what works best. I just want to find out What is the most efficient design. Plates? Tubes? Stepped gaps? ETC?

[Aka]

I have also looked at various designs to try and find which is best so I am looking forward to seeing what replies you get here

also the designs I have seen most use stainless steel but I have heard someone say his worked well with other metals so are there any other types of metal that work well? aluminium? I know copper, brass and iron are not good because they react with the water

I am still new to hydrogen production so I am trying to research more about the experiments people have already done and what areas to continue experiments which may be worth exploring

[buzneg]

smacks booster is most popular right now on the yahoo groups "watercar" and "hydroxy" If I did my math right it's 83.4% efficient. There's a couple designs for sale on ebay though which

this ebay seller has an overunity cell, but he's probably wrong

""It has been lab tested and produces +-2 ltr per min of HHO

AT 13.8Volts DC 16 amps""

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&item=300207284531

[BradleyH20]

Yeah I know about the smacks boosters, I used to have 2 of them installed in my 4 cyl car. I had a huge increase in power but never got my efie adjusted right as it was the dead of winter and I could never get a good constant production. I used isopropyl alcohol to keep the water from freezing and a ton of baking soda, in 10 degree weather both units would only draw about 1 amp each. On a warm day they would always runaway on me. The smack booster produces 2lpm at 20 amps, but once your amperage draw is that high the water heats up pretty fast, and then you go into runaway mode. Before you know it your pulling major amps and blowing fuses. Since then I have sold both of my smack boosters and have tried to find a better way to produce. I have been told and heard from several sources that tubes produce over 3 times more hydrogen than plates do. I would like to find a test where someone could get tubes and plates with the same surface area, at the same amperage and measure the output. We'll see, maybee I'll have to do that some day???

[Spewing]

You Have 2 Choices when it comes to generating hydroxy threw electrolysis not including chemical reactions.

The first is to use additives with amp Flow, you get the most gas this way, but requires additives and amps.

The second is to use Un-Pure DC With no additives, this requires Kinetic energy from a driver motor or crankshaft to power an altered alternator, one that is not pure at its output also requiring pulses of the rotor. Pure DC will grab the water and not let go, in the above option you use koh to cure this. Pulses with the alternator will grab the water and let go of it, then repeats. When you use only a battery the power from the battery grabs holt to the water, it doesn't like to let go so it turns to heat and your hydrogen output sucks and isn't very efficient. The use of Koh somehow Cures the problem, but yet you use more amps.

Additives and Koh will out perform Pulsed DC, while Pulsed Dc is more efficient than using additives. The hydroxy production rate for pulsed DC is under using additives. but pulsed DC is more efficient than additives when according to power used.

You cant go wrong either way, but if you use additives, your hydrogen is effected and burns dirty and slow, where if you use no additives the oxygen in the hydrogen remains clean. This makes a big difference when you're using it to run an engine. if you use additives it will run more like a diesel where using no additives will run more like a car.  If you was to use koh you could use a Blower to introduce more air into the intake, where not using koh the hydrogen contains clean oxygen, a clean burn. if you're worried about the hydroxy having to much oxygen then you should understand, gasoline is mixed 14 ambient air to 1 part gas. hydroxy contains 2 3rds hydrogen and 1 3rd oxygen. you can see you clearly need more ambient air with this mix so no membrane is needed to seperate the hydroxy gas from the oxygen.

when using pulsed dc more units can be added more easily. When using additives you have a limit because of the size of the power source. Either method is ok, but very few hold the knowlege to using pulsed DC the proper way, so the easier route to take would be to use additives and a blower, unless you can get around the blower part.